Homosexual Marriage

[Kilroy_x]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

Calling someone's thoughts stupid isn't a personal attack. The statement made was "if you don't have a reason to consider something immoral, it is stupid to consider it immoral". I happen to agree with that assessment.

Oh, you are SO not welcome in CT if you say crap like that.

This statement and the statement pete made are functionally identical. I don't see why non-moderators shouldn't be allowed to make such statements. In fact when the statement is made by a non-moderator it imposes nothing on the person it was made to, whereas your statement is both a threat and a restriction.

Now of course being in the position you are, you don't have to answer to me, but your ability to handle my concerns will dictate whether or not I respect your use of authority.

[Kilroy_x]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I personally think that there might be an evil force against this God or that this God is not really 100% righteous. Even in the instance that there would be an evil force against the God, who is to say that this God could be 100% righteous? Wouldn't God have to do unholy and unrighteous things to perhaps get rid of such evil beings?

The existence of an evil force to begin with contradicts an all powerful, all loving God. In either circumstance, the only conclusions are:

A: That God does not exist
B: That God is less than completely all loving, all knowing, and all powerful in some way.
C: That the existence of evil actually satisfies a requirement of omnibenevolence and that humans simply cannot fathom this.

So far, the only thoughts about God are hypotheticals and I would to personally believe that such a God is not 100% righteous.

I think you may be on the right track, but you need to learn a few more hypotheticals.

[dekinaineko]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

[QUOTE=phe0nixblade;1441956]LOL

I do care, I care that they might try and rape me. I don't want that. so, yea.[/QUOTE/]

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

[buttonmasher0]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

[QUOTE=dekinaineko;1607350]

LOL

I do care, I care that they might try and rape me. I don't want that. so, yea.[/QUOTE/]

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

i wouldn't call them stupid however they are not mature enough to comprehend that their friend is not the way they are which is where immature instinct takes over and in a way to defend themselves they say things such as those.

[GuidoHunter]

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Calling someone's thoughts stupid isn't a personal attack. The statement made was "if you don't have a reason to consider something immoral, it is stupid to consider it immoral". I happen to agree with that assessment.

There are tactful ways to say this within the realm of debate. "Your thoughts are stupid" just doesn't fly here. You say it's not a personal attack, but such a line could easily be taken that way. Hell, I would be okay with "that idea is stupid", but once you bring second-person pronouns into the mix, you stray onto shaky ground.

In fact when the statement is made by a non-moderator it imposes nothing on the person it was made to, whereas your statement is both a threat and a restriction.

With the leverage given to CT regulars regarding quoting rules to the less well-read users, I can't agree that it imposes nothing. To someone who's not familiar with CT, all the suggestions and RTFM statements that get thrown about makes it seem like y'all know what you're doing and should be listened to/respected.

I appreciate how y'all sometimes take care of my job for me in here; I really do. But one thing I don't want to see from regular users is "you can't be here". Not only do you not have the authority to pick and choose who visits this forum, I've had to "reverse" too many pseudomoderating decisions to entirely trust everyone's judgment.

Case in point with the pete thing: he falsely summarized a dozen posts in six words and then told a user that he wasn't welcome here, AFTER I had PMmed the user and encouraged him to rejoin the debate (in a more rules-abiding manner).

I don't want mixed signals getting thrown around when they shouldn't be. Again, please remind posters of the rules and please tactfully ask them to correct their ways. But also, PLEASE leave the de jure AND the de facto bannings to the moderators.

And, if you have any further questions, please PM me so that this can get back on topic.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

geee... when straight ppl find out their friend/friends isnt straight some of them go all "dont harras me!" and back away. why dont ppl think that way about their straight friends of the opposite gender? geeeee...stupid ppl 8D

It's harder to find another gay person than another straight person to be with unless you know in advance that a person is gay. Even then, you may not know anyone who is AND is also someone you'd like.

Also, people DO sometimes worry their "friends" will rape them(a lot of girls, in fact, who suspect guys have a bad intention). Obviously it's not very common that a guy would worry about rape, but that's because it would require not only a gay guy or a guy who is willing to rape another guy(well, if someone wants to ruin a person enough, sexuality probably doesn't matter, as some people consider rape worse than death), it would require a person who is willing to, well, rape someone.

[devonin]

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Obviously it's not very common that a guy would worry about rape, but that's because it would require not only a gay guy or a guy who is willing to rape another guy, it would require a person who is willing to, well, rape someone.

Um...females can absolutely rape males. This is one of those prejudices about gender and sexuality that has actually made life a lot harder for a lot of men. The same attitude that makes the -very- large number of men who are abused by their wife so hesitant to come forward and look weak has led to this idea that it is impossible for a man to be raped in a way that doesn't include sodomy.

[albaneenesk8r]

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hmm this is a weird subject becuase i am bi sexual.

but homosexual marriage is not something bad at all

[OMGfat123]

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I don't mind homosexuality at all. It's just when it becomes between you its a problem. I one was at the mall with my friend and i saw to gay couples but i mean i didn't mind it but when they started to make out in front of us thats when it gets to me as a problem. I don't like two men making out in front of me but i don't mind at all the homosexualites.

[ToshX]

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I have to say, some women can be very, VERY abusive. In fact, even more than men can be from what I've seen(in terms of how abusive they are, not in terms of how many are abusive). I mean sorry if that sounds sexist, but that's what I've seen in my life.

Also, I think the large number of men who can't come forward is only to the fault of pressure by the society and stuff like that. A stereotypical man would be a "manly" guy driving a pickup truck and eating a dozen pounds of meat(rofl, yes, I'm being sarcastic). However, my point is that when a man feels sensitive about something, people often push it off as the guy being weak, as you said. So what do they do? They try to become less sensitive about things.

Of course hormones also do a bit in acting "manly", it certainly isn't all or it may not even majorly be society at all.

Also, I think, in general that will never change, unfortunately. And I don't think it'd even be possible for it to change unless we threw the stereotypes out the window to make new ones. Now this is possible by a majority, but some people will still think the same old stuff.

It's like how many races were once looked at as "bad" races to be born with, but now people are starting to be more tolerant and reasonable and accept anyone for whoever they are. But, that being said, there are also people who are even MORE racist than before, and it shows in everyday society until it gets to the point of being illegal(such as killing, putting up signs saying something about a race, etc.).

What I'm saying is that if we could make it this way about how men are viewed and how women are viewed, and we could come a little bit closer to men and women actually seeming similar instead of using these contrasting stereotypes to make them seem apart, things would be a lot more fair for BOTH groups.

I'm sure you know this, but BOTH groups have to put up with this crap. For example, as I(and you as well) said before, if men look sensitive, they look weak. But if women look sensitive, they seem attractive(to most people, at least). If women work out to the point of getting muscular, they might be viewed as less attractive by some people. If men DON'T work out and look like sticks, they may look less attractive by some people.

It's hurting both genders, and I hope that one day it will be changed for the better. More tolerance would be a wonderful thing in the world.

hmm this is a weird subject becuase i am bi sexual.

but homosexual marriage is not something bad at all

I agree with you, but please support why it's not bad.

Also, your sig is enormous <__< You probably shouldn't put a picture of that size in your sig.

I don't mind homosexuality at all. It's just when it becomes between you its a problem. I one was at the mall with my friend and i saw to gay couples but i mean i didn't mind it but when they started to make out in front of us thats when it gets to me as a problem. I don't like two men making out in front of me but i don't mind at all the homosexualites.

That's just a matter of tolerance, and that's fine. A lot of people don't like seeing straight couples make out when they are straight themselves.

I mean, hey, we can't stand EVERYTHING, but we can try.

[falcondude]

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I don't mind homosexuality at all. It's just when it becomes between you its a problem. I one was at the mall with my friend and i saw to gay couples but i mean i didn't mind it but when they started to make out in front of us thats when it gets to me as a problem. I don't like two men making out in front of me but i don't mind at all the homosexualites.

I totally agree with this. I think that people deserve the freedom to do whatever they want to (as long as its not raping people), whether they are straight or gay. How would straight people react if they weren't allowed to marry? That's how homosexuals must feel when they aren't allowed to marry/be together/etc.

[Chrissi]

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Um...females can absolutely rape males. This is one of those prejudices about gender and sexuality that has actually made life a lot harder for a lot of men. The same attitude that makes the -very- large number of men who are abused by their wife so hesitant to come forward and look weak has led to this idea that it is impossible for a man to be raped in a way that doesn't include sodomy.

There are isolated cases in history, if any, of women raping men. Women can abuse, coerce, and molest men, but actual RAPE is nearly impossible. It requires a woman either forcing a man's penis inside of her with his explicit non-consent, or raping him with a foreign object, which, depending where you're from, only counts as abuse and not rape.

Can you give me a case of a woman who raped a man? It's exceedingly hard to find.

Rape is almost entirely a male crime. Don't pretend it's not. Women who rape are statistical aberrations. It's abnormal and extremely rare. It has been theorized that rape by women is a crime solely resulting from the acceptance of more masculine roles for women.

This doesn't mean it's not a tragedy when a woman rapes someone, but in general terms, it's not anywhere close to the problem of men who rape. Just by sheer numbers.

All of the cases of rape by a woman that I have ever found are actually rape by a man through a third party. What I mean is, women are often influenced by men to rape or aid in the rape of someone. Rarely does the intent sincerely come from the woman.

It's nice to try to be gender neutral and all; whatever a man can do, a woman can also do, right? Well, in this case, it doesn't work so well. Rape is almost entirely a male crime and women who rape are anomolies.


As well, of the women who rape/abuse/molest/coerce, you will notice that motivations are typically very different from the motivations of men. Men who rape may do it to attempt to shame the victim, or hurt the victim, with excuses along the lines of "she was being a ****tease" or "he needed to know his place". Women rarely have such motivations. As well, in some pathological/serial rapists, there is a strong urge or desire to rape - the pain they cause their victims sexually arouses them, and they go from victim to victim as a matter of desire. Think Ted Bundy. He had strong urges to rape and assault women.

Now, I took a course on this whole deal, and the fact is that despite some pathological/serial male rapists being motivated by urges, desires, or deep fantasies, there is not ONE woman in all of recorded history who fits this profile. Not a single one. There has never been a woman who raped "for the fun of it". In the few cases there are, they always do it to some end or goal.

[devonin]

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There are isolated cases in history, if any, of women raping men. Women can abuse, coerce, and molest men, but actual RAPE is nearly impossible. It requires a woman either forcing a man's penis inside of her with his explicit non-consent, or raping him with a foreign object, which, depending where you're from, only counts as abuse and not rape.

Um...So you've defined what rape is...fair enough. If a woman is physically stronger than a man, how is it any harder for her to carry out that action than for a man to do the same to a woman?

Can you give me a case of a woman who raped a man? It's exceedingly hard to find.

rather a lot of that stems from the fact that up until rather recently, it was not even a legal possibility for a woman to rape a man. No such charge existed, so obviously nobody was charged with it. There have been several trials where a man alleged rape by a woman, but to my knowledge there has never been a conviction, primarily on the ground of the defense trying to make a case that poor weak woman can't possibly make a man have penetrative sex without his express consent.

Rape is almost entirely a male crime. Don't pretend it's not. Women who rape are statistical aberrations. It's abnormal and extremely rare. It has been theorized that rape by women is a crime solely resulting from the acceptance of more masculine roles for women.

This doesn't mean it's not a tragedy when a woman rapes someone, but in general terms, it's not anywhere close to the problem of men who rape. Just by sheer numbers.

Okay...so we should never address any problem when there happen to be larger problems? More people starve to death than are raped in a year, maybe we should not consider rape to be a problem worth addressing because by sheer numbers, there's a bigger problem?

It's nice to try to be gender neutral and all; whatever a man can do, a woman can also do, right? Well, in this case, it doesn't work so well. Rape is almost entirely a male crime and women who rape are anomolies.

It certainly does work as well. it is -primarily- a male crime yes, that's irellevant to my statement that women can and are recorded as having raped men. ToshX claimed that in order for a man to be raped, you needed another man to rape them, and I denied that claim.

"Woman can too rape men" != "Women raping men is precisely as large a problem as men raping women"

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

ToshX claimed that in order for a man to be raped, you needed another man to rape them, and I denied that claim.

I once thought that a while ago, but most people actually say it isn't even considered rape if a woman does it. The worst that could happen from a woman forcing it upon a man is the man would get an STD for get injured or something like that. With a man forcing it upon a woman, the woman can and likely will not only get both injured and a possible STD, but she can and often does end up pregnant and scarred for life(or a very, very long time). I'm not saying men won't get the same feeling, I'm just saying it's not quite the same. It feels a whole lot different to be forced to have an orgasm than it does to be forced to have an orgasm inside of you which could potentially make you pregnant.

I mean, all sorts of things can go wrong.

Don't get me wrong, women can do some pretty bad stuff to men as well, I'm just saying not quite to the same extent.

I'm sure you could bring it to "oh, what if the woman physically abuses the man to an extreme extent?" Well in that case, it probably wouldn't just be rape.

[devonin]

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Define rape for me then...I'm pretty sure that the legal term involves penetrative non-consensual sex. It seems that you're demanding that a great deal more be proven to be the case before you'll call it rape, and I'd like to know how you're defining the term before we continue.