Premaritial Sex

[stretchypanda]

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Religion doesn't have to be BANNED from discussion in critical thinking. Religion, like any other factor influencing a person's beliefs, only becomes a problem when a person doesn't back up his statements with something physical, like a quotation.

[ashleychauntel]

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Religion doesn't have to be BANNED from discussion in critical thinking. Religion, like any other factor influencing a person's beliefs, only becomes a problem when a person doesn't back up his statements with something physical, like a quotation.

Well, maybe I should explained that a bit more. You pretty much completed the rest of what was in my head. I like hearing how a person's religious views factor into their opinions when and if they explain how and why.

I don't mean ban it at all - but like you said, back up what you are saying definitely so that others at least understand.

By keeping it out I just meant the arguments.





Back to the thread...

And as far as waiting until a government assigned age to have sex...

That's a laugh. Assigned sex age?!

Kids are starting puberty earlier and earlier these days, which means that hormones are going to be raging and sex is going to be something that has to be talked about seriously earlier on than it has been previously. Assigning a sex age... if anyone actually chooses to enact anything in that regard they are not being very intelligent. There are already statutory rape laws for those 16 and under that are tested constantly.

I don't think that is even a possible concept.

[devonin]

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That's a laugh. Assigned sex age?!

Not only is that a laugh, that is the exact point the person was making that you quoted partially and out of context. Maybe you should quote the full passage before reacting to it...though if you'd quoted the full passage, you wouldn't have anything to say, since you apparantly used their opening line as a way to just repeat them.

And to address both points, you both (and I) seem to agree that having legal ages for sex seems foolish, but your country has them, my country has them, almost every country has them. And in many cases they -are- enforced, sometimes justly, sometimes unjustly, but you can't just say "Hah that's stupid" and not address the fact that they -do- exist.

[ashleychauntel]

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Not only is that a laugh, that is the exact point the person was making that you quoted partially and out of context. Maybe you should quote the full passage before reacting to it...though if you'd quoted the full passage, you wouldn't have anything to say, since you apparantly used their opening line as a way to just repeat them.

And to address both points, you both (and I) seem to agree that having legal ages for sex seems foolish, but your country has them, my country has them, almost every country has them. And in many cases they -are- enforced, sometimes justly, sometimes unjustly, but you can't just say "Hah that's stupid" and not address the fact that they -do- exist.

I was agreeing with them. There was no condescending tone to say otherwise.
I didn't look over that before I posted and I guess the second part of the passage didn't get in there. Regardless, I didn't think it sounded like I was attacking them.

They exist as in statutory rape laws - that is not exactly the same as an "assigned sex age" I don't think.

[Dc-xBluex]

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Personally i think the whole waiting till marriage thing is just so people dont have children before theyre ready. thats where condoms come into play. Nothing wrong with waiting at all. But Sometimes its hard to resist the urge. Just be safe about it, and i dont think it matters. Now if your just going around humping anything that walks like a jack rabbit, then you have a problem. If your gonna do it, do it with somone you care about, and make sure they care about you to.

[devonin]

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They exist as in statutory rape laws - that is not exactly the same as an "assigned sex age" I don't think.

"If you have sex with someone under the age of X, you will go to jail" That sounds pretty much -exactly- the same as "They cannot have sex until they are >X"

[ashleychauntel]

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"If you have sex with someone under the age of X, you will go to jail" That sounds pretty much -exactly- the same as "They cannot have sex until they are >X"

You can look at it that way if you like. Statutory rape laws are gotten around all the time. Actually, the laws rarely come into play unless one person is significantly older and/or foul play is involved. A lot of the time, in a lot of places sex goes without "punishment" if minors are involved, therefore, the law isn't exactly as strict as it would likely be if there was an assigned age.

The rape law is basically there to keep older individuals from fornicating with younger individuals that may not be ready to make such decisions about sex or realize the consequences - and any "assigned age law" would be similar EXCEPT that hopefully with an age being set it would be taken more seriously, I mean, if that was the case.

Assigned age law would be more like a driving permit for example - you HAVE to be 16 in my state just to get the permit, and now you have to have it for a year to get a license - driving is serious. And an assigned age law for sex sounds like it would be more serious, kind of like that.

I still think it's stupid, as in an enactment of such a foolish thing - - - but if it were to exist I think it would be more serious than an statutory rape statute which isn't taken seriously a lot of the time when consenting couples/young people are the ones at risk. I mean, two 16 year old kids having sex and then having to deal with a rape law because a parent may not like it, and two people having to deal with an assigned age for sex law seem to me like they would be two totally different things in themselves.

Maybe I am the only one that thinks that, but hey, everyone can't think alike.

[purebloodtexan]

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Well, although I don't agree with it entirely, there was an old thread over assigned ages and whatnot. A few members basically said that even if a certain handful of people are responsible, there's a much bigger handful that isn't, and that marking an "age of responsibility" might keeps things in order. Seeing how STD's and teenage pregnancy is common (They say that the rates are dropping, but it's still around), they had the right idea. Maybe they shouldn't have an age where sex is absolutely allowed, but rather an age that is more of a guideline than a law. If this is the case, 17 definitely isn't it.

[x-Thief]

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Well, although I don't agree with it entirely, there was an old thread over assigned ages and whatnot. A few members basically said that even if a certain handful of people are responsible, there's a much bigger handful that isn't, and that marking an "age of responsibility" might keeps things in order.

I think that's the problem with "age limit" laws. They're put there because some majority of the population should be confined by those limitations. Of course it works the other way too, some people aren't ready to do things just because they're old enough to do so by law.

Either way I agree 17 or 18 seems way too high for an age of responsibility on sex. Even with the statuatory rape laws, I mean obviously there needs to be some law about having sex with someone below a certain age, but a law where an 18 year old can be marred as a "sex offendor" for having sex with a 16 year old seems a little sketchy.

[purebloodtexan]

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I think that's the problem with "age limit" laws. They're put there because some majority of the population should be confined by those limitations. Of course it works the other way too, some people aren't ready to do things just because they're old enough to do so by law.

Either way I agree 17 or 18 seems way too high for an age of responsibility on sex. Even with the statuatory rape laws, I mean obviously there needs to be some law about having sex with someone below a certain age, but a law where an 18 year old can be marred as a "sex offendor" for having sex with a 16 year old seems a little sketchy.

Although I like the "better safe than sorry" policy, they're stretching it a bit.

[WeissPraline]

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Even though I'm not christian, I agree with Premartial sex. I think you should know for a fact that person will be with you forever before you have sex; I know a lot of people who were 'MADLY IN LOVE AND WERE TOGETHER FOREVER', only to break up two months later, then hate that person.

Marriage seems to me, depending on your personality, the way to see that you're ready to have sex. If you truely want to spend forever with someone, split everything you own with them, and have a celebration for it, then by all means, I say you're ready.

Mind you, I don't say that because I'm religious- I say that because I feel if you marry someone, you truly do love them, and are ready for it. Most of the time, anyways.

[devonin]

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So...sometimes you think you're in love but you aren't...so you shouldn't have premarital sex.

But...sometimes you get married and aren't either...but you -can- have sex then?

Your logic seems a little off to me.

[WeissPraline]

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Well, probobly because we don't have the same definition of marriage.

When I think marriage, I don't think of it as something to be taken lightly. Most people, like people in Hollywood, get married for the hell of it.

When I think getting married, I think you would know you were in love with that person- unless something changed you're feelings.

What I'm saying is, I think marriage is a celebration of two peoples love. I know most marriages end up badly now a days, but not all of them do.

Besides, why would you get married if you weren't really 'in love'?

[devonin]

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Look at the divorce rate of your country before you decide to say that even "Most" people get married while being so deeply in love that they are together forever. As I recall, the divorce rate is somewhere on the order of 50%

I know people who have no intention of getting married who are -much- more in love, and much more important to one another than dozens of married couples I know. The ceremony only holds meaning for those to whom it holds meaning. This is not universal by any means.

[WeissPraline]

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I know; that's why I said 'MOST' people in Hollywood get married 'for the hell of it'- I was insenuating they get divorced sometime in the near future.

I also said 'I know most marriages end up badly now a days'. I know divorce rates are high.