Homosexual Marriage

[Kamunt]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Holy crap, that's horrible!! And this was all in Canada? Wow...didn't know that brand of BS was sold in Canada, too... I agree completely, too, it's just not right to do something like that to someone.

[Kilroy_x]

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Sexual repression doesn't particularly change sexual orientation. Now, it might provide strong incentive for someone to fake opposite sex attraction, or even to get married and have kids, but generally there isn't any actual change in desire that occurs. The fact that Christianity is involved doesn't change the nature of what's going on. The one conceivable way I could think of for someone to change sexual orientation by sexual repression is if it warps their sexuality sufficiently. Fetishism and such are likely often products of warped sexuality. If someone could use the hyper sexuality that often results from repression in the right way, they might be able to make themselves sexually indiscriminate, although that's still a far cry from straight.

[Kamunt]

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The one conceivable way I could think of for someone to change sexual orientation by sexual repression is if it warps their sexuality sufficiently. Fetishism and such are likely often products of warped sexuality. If someone could use the hyper sexuality that often results from repression in the right way, they might be able to make themselves sexually indiscriminate, although that's still a far cry from straight.

I'm sorry, but "warped sexuality"? "Hyper sexuality"? Those are two new terms to me. I think I could hazard an accurate guess about warped sexuality, but hyper sexuality has me stumped. The only other term I can think of that's even remotely close (which isn't very close at all) is "super-male syndrome", I believe it's called? Caused by a male receiving a Y and Y chromosome instead of an X and Y, I believe. Not very close, obviously. By "sexually indiscriminate", however, I'm assuming you're referring to either bisexuality or asexuality, correct? Perhaps even pansexuality? I'm going with my first choice, bisexuality, for that one, but any of the three seem to make sense.

[psychopete]

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Not willingly, at least, definitely. There's been many a reported case proving that homosexuality can be "beaten", more or less, out of an individual by driving Christianity deep into their skulls repeatedly with a Spiritual Sledgehammer. I don't have any links ATM, but I have read articles and even a study done that addresses this matter. I don't really think this method is exactly fair....because, I mean, it's forcing the individuals to feel guilty about what they are, or by what they think they are. And that's just unfair.

Really? What about the unsuccessful attempts by parents to 'beat the gay' out of their kid?

I'm an example of one of those unsuccessful attempts. It never made me guilty of who I am, since my parents have their own views, and I have my own. Beating me isn't going to change who I am, but then again, they thought it would, basically saying, "If you continue to be weird, you'll get it worse." (Weird in their eyes included being more interested in music than in sports and not being straight) So, as you would expect, because I'm not their definition of normal, I got beaten a lot. What good that did them.

But in the end, that's not what this thread is about.

[Kamunt]

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Really? What about the unsuccessful attempts by parents to 'beat the gay' out of their kid?

I'm an example of one of those unsuccessful attempts. It never made me guilty of who I am, since my parents have their own views, and I have my own. Beating me isn't going to change who I am, but then again, they thought it would, basically saying, "If you continue to be weird, you'll get it worse." (Weird in their eyes included being more interested in music than in sports and not being straight) So, as you would expect, because I'm not their definition of normal, I got beaten a lot. What good that did them.

But in the end, that's not what this thread is about.

:shocked: Umm....wow. That's freaking awful, seriously. I hate to pry, but what did you mean by "got beaten a lot"? Did child services or something rescue you? I hope so, that's freaking terrible. But anyways...I was speaking in terms of religion and making the homosexual individuals feel guilty about themselves, not ACTUALLY getting beaten... That's why I keyed "beaten" instead of just beaten.

[psychopete]

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:shocked: Umm....wow. That's freaking awful, seriously. I hate to pry, but what did you mean by "got beaten a lot"? Did child services or something rescue you? I hope so, that's freaking terrible. But anyways...I was speaking in terms of religion and making the homosexual individuals feel guilty about themselves, not ACTUALLY getting beaten... That's why I keyed "beaten" instead of just beaten.

I was taken in by a good friend, and when I was leaving, I called the police on my parents. They're in jail now.

And their ideas about homosexuality are based on them being overly religious (they considered me a heretic when I stopped going to church, when I was EIGHT).

[Kamunt]

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I was taken in by a good friend, and when I was leaving, I called the police on my parents. They're in jail now.

And their ideas about homosexuality are based on them being overly religious (they considered me a heretic when I stopped going to church, when I was EIGHT).

Holy Jesus Christ Superstar. Thank GOD, I don't know what I would've done if you were still living under those conditions. Not like I could actually have done anything, but still.... That "heretic" thing seems....ugh, I'm not gonna even talk about that anymore. But it's with psychotic parents like pete's that make homosexuals afraid to be who they truly are. There's probably a good tens of thousands of parents out there, probably far more than that, that REALLY need to be locked up. I'm glad you got out of there OK, pete, I can't even pretend to know what that must feel like.

[Kilroy_x]

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I'm sorry, but "warped sexuality"? "Hyper sexuality"? Those are two new terms to me. I think I could hazard an accurate guess about warped sexuality, but hyper sexuality has me stumped.

It's not exactly a scientific term, but it is a term. There may be good reason to question whether there's a normative level of sexuality, but this term assumes there is at least subjective basis for evaluating the level of a persons sexuality comparative to other people.

By "sexually indiscriminate", however, I'm assuming you're referring to either bisexuality or asexuality, correct?

Not particularly. There are plenty of alternate explanations for the occurrence of both of these. However, I also think that in at least certain very rare instances, it's possible for a person to attain these statuses.

Perhaps even pansexuality?

This would be closer.

I'm going with my first choice, bisexuality, for that one, but any of the three seem to make sense.

Conceivably. One of the major problems in interpreting human behavior is that there are diversities in causes while there are singularities in perception, and vice versa. Perception also being a product of culture (and culture being a product of interactions between individuals, and the properties of individuals being determined by biology, etc.), it's not entirely unreasonable for a skeptic to suggest traditional analytic methods are completely useless in quantifying or otherwise effectively understanding human behavior.

So, being the amazing hypocrite that I am I continue to make such statements despite the inherent self-contradiction in actually believing them. In that spirit, I would also blindly conjecture that all three things have the potential to be either inherited biologically or acquired through what would undoubtedly :cough: be a highly complex series of biological events, although perhaps resulting in only similar rather than identical biological functions at the outset.

In conclusion, this is most certainly not a scientific or even solid conclusion.

[Dc-xBluex]

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Personally, i wouldnt want gay marriages to be legal. Its bad enough that small children may see a couple of the same sex,and perhaps are confused as to the whole thing, triggering some sort of curiosity. I've nothing against gay people, theyre all people. I just think it opens the door to youth exploration which i believe is totally uncalled for.

[devonin]

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It is totally uncalled for to expose children to different aspects of humanity?

There is a very large body of evidence suggesting that sexual orientation is genetic, or if nothing else -can- be genetic. Which means that children are -born- with a propensity to hetero- or homo-sexuality.

How, in that case, can you possibly say that bringing the concepts to their attention is "uncalled for" -especially- if you are acknowledging in the same breath that homosexuality is acceptable to you and that homosexuals have all the same rights as a person?

[sgkoneko]

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Personally, i wouldnt want gay marriages to be legal. Its bad enough that small children may see a couple of the same sex,and perhaps are confused as to the whole thing, triggering some sort of curiosity. I've nothing against gay people, theyre all people. I just think it opens the door to youth exploration which i believe is totally uncalled for.

!? WHAT!? Curiosity isn't allowed? Well if you think kids are confused by that, then maybe they shouldn't be shown religion until a certain age as well. Let's take away things that might influence our children and forever bias their opinions. Gee that leaves a whole lot legal[/sarcasm]. There are plenty of kids who grow up from families with two mothers or two fathers who aren't gay. I have a friend who has a lot of gay cousins and uncles and has 2 aunts, but is he gay? No.

And who cares if they explore? That doesn't mean they will be gay. They might try it and not like it. The same stuff happens in college, who cares if it happens earlier?

[WeissPraline]

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I agree with my good friend SG on this one.

You guys really need to get over yourselves.

Let's see...

'My religion says it's wrong.'

If you mean it says that in the bible, it also says NOT to sleep in the same bed as a women who is on their period, AND to respect your parents. I think you all broke those two at one point and time, don't you?

PS- Jesus accepted EVERYONE for how they were. He didn't hate people for how they acted. I'm pretty sure he knew Judas would betray him, yet, he didn't oppress him...and I'm pretty sure betraying the son of 'God allmighty' is a LOT worse than having sex with someone of the same sex.

'It's unnatural.'

A lot of things are. Surgery is 'unnatural', if you think about it. Cutting into the human body to make your FACE look how you WANT it is far from natural. Even if it's for medical needs, it's something we created over time, not something we were born with.

'It'll force the population to go down.'

That's rich. Go talk to the population of China and India, then talk to me.

'It'll make children curious.'
...So? Kids will be kids. They'll try a LOT of things. When I was a kid, I loved Final Fantasy, Harry Potter, and other magical things. Does that mean I run around putting hexes on people? No. Meant I was interested in it. Big differance.

The law that says Gays can't marry and can't be in the army need to be GONE. They deserve the same rights as everyone else- they can't help how they were born. If you discriminate against gay people, you might as well just discriminate against people for their skin color, gender, or tease them because of a disability- all the same, you're making fun of, or discriminating them, for how they were BORN. Don't tell me 'Being gay is a choice'. Maybe being Bisexual, but not being gay. Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay with all the crap they go through? One of my friends at school got beat up because he was gay. Why would he choose to be gay if he gets made fun of all the time, AND gets beat up?

Doesn't make sense to me.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Well...anyone lodging the objections as you quoted them is failing to take part in this forum appropriately, and saying "Yeah, well...that opinion is stupid, get over it" isn't really the best way to try and win over anyone who disagrees with your point, especially if they provide (Though granted not many here have) good reasons why they are against it.

[GuidoHunter]

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'My religion says it's wrong.'

Who's said that here?

The law that says Gays can't marry

What law is that?

and can't be in the army need to be GONE.

They can be in the army.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sgkoneko]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Who's said that here?



What law is that?



They can be in the army.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Oh yes. Quite the freedom they have. They can't say they're gay and be in the army. That seems VERY fair.