Global Warming:Real or Fake?

[JTOTHEACKIE2]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

Global warming is definitly real....the earth has been warming over the past 100 thousand years...since we are thickening the blanket of carbon dioxide we are trapping the heat into the earth....basically the earth is gonna be uninhabitable in a few years anywy so go ahead and **** it up.....the world will end in 2012

[frankiesmithra24]

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I think that global warming is real and its happening right now as we speak. The only ways to stop are; planting trees, hybrid cars, non-aerosal cans, and less pollution.

I hope the world doesn't end in 2012. Damn, I'll be in college if that ever happened and my poor sis will be a junior or senior in high school. Thats really scary.

[devonin]

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It exists, but people ignore it.
So, Perhaps it doesn't exist to them...

Saddening, really...

I'm not really convinced that simply refusing to admit something exists can make it not exist, even just to me :P

[Reach]

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Urg, the global warming we're seeing is caused by humans. End of story. I'm sick of refuting peoples pathetic arguments when they could go do some real research and disprove them themselves.

Why, in the graph shown in An Inconvenient Truth, hailed as the champion documentary for global warming, did temperature tend to rise BEFORE CO2?

This is hardly new.

The lag here between CO2 and temperature is pretty small, a few hundred years at best and is irrelevant. CO2 does not and did not initiate global warming. CO2 is an amplifier that is pushing it out of control. Everything that Gore says in Inconvenient truth is, thankfully, correct as far as I know, and is a strong argument accessible to the public.

CO2 levels here are much higher than they have ever been in over 650,000 years. The highest CO2 levels ever could be found in the past, back when around the dinosaurs died lets say. However, the worlds temperature was also at an all time high during these times as well

the world will end in 2012

The world isn't going to end in 2012.


We're changing the composition of a chemical system. It amazes me that people think this would have no effect on the planet. Things happen when you change the compostion of an atmosphere. Why do you think some planets are habitable and some are not? Buildup of greenhouse gas is almost entirely our fault, and it is certain they will continue to rise and tend to warm the planet. Greenhouse gas isn't the only problem, either. We pollute and we're going to hurt the planet either way, rising temperatures or not. If we plan on living here for any extended period of time we should probably treat the planet a little nicer, or maybe hop onto the hawking train and get our ass to another planet ;D

[madmatt621]

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Until you can ask me a question I understand, I'm going to keep quoting random sections of Wikipedia articles without reading them.

You keep on doing that, Squeek.

[devonin]

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I think that global warming is real and its happening right now as we speak. The only ways to stop are; planting trees, hybrid cars, non-aerosal cans, and less pollution.

This one is one of my favourite "solutions" to global warming. There's a novel called "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn that I think anyone who fancies themselves an environmentalist ought to read. One of the things that is brought up is the whole 'save the rainforest' concept.

In it they raise the point that the net oxygen production of the rainforest is actually 0.

Trees intake carbon dioxide, lock up the carbon through the process of feeding themselves, and release the excess oxygen back into the air. Huzzah, we've made more oxygen...except when the tree dies, the process of decomposing breaks the carbon back down and releases it into the air as, yup, carbon dioxide again.

He goes on to point out that there are -plenty- of reasons to want to save the rainforest, but that their production of oxygen is definately not one. The best way to use the rainforest to solve that problem is to pave it over. Concrete locks up carbon exceptionally well, freeing up all that oxygen for us.

[GuidoHunter]

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I don't see anything about oxygen production in his post, devonin.

More trees means more solar energy degradation, which means less heating of the atmosphere. Therefore, more trees means a greater ability to combat the global warming.

Hell, planting grass would work, too, but since trees are muchmuch higher on the trophic pyramid, they're much better at what they do and are plenty easy to just pick up and plant somewhere.

I don't doubt the truth of what you said, but oxygen production isn't the only thing that trees do.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[devonin]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

I don't see anything about oxygen production in his post, devonin.

More trees means more solar energy degradation, which means less heating of the atmosphere. Therefore, more trees means a greater ability to combat the global warming.

Hell, planting grass would work, too, but since trees are muchmuch higher on the trophic pyramid, they're much better at what they do and are plenty easy to just pick up and plant somewhere.

I don't doubt the truth of what you said, but oxygen production isn't the only thing that trees do.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Well, it was said in the context of discussing CO2 buildup, so I guess I misread?

[tsugomaru]

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But the several hundred year lag is important! As said in the Great Swindle, most of our CO2 comes from the ocean and oceans release more CO2 gases when it is hotter. It also takes many years, even hundreds to heat up an ocean. That's why the CO2 lags behind heat.

The solar graph however, is more accurate because there is virtually no lag.

~Tsugomaru

[DARKSAMUS]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

I think that there's not as much denial of the existence of global warming in the government as you suggest. What there is plenty of, though, is denial that we're all going to die in the next ten years because of it (yes, I'm overstating the doomsayers, but you get the idea).

It isn't "plain" to see that global warming is occurring and you personally are not able to tell that it exists because "the weather has changed a lot lately". Global warming is only evident from studying climate changes over decades, if not centuries or millenia. Unless you're an evironmental scientists who studies global climates, you're not going to be able to tell that it's happening; a tenth of a degree change in average temperatures just plain isn't noticeable by people.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Also, California got cold this year, Connecticut had the coldest day in two years. Who comes up with this ****? Global Warming is just a bunch of bull ****!

[tsugomaru]

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Global Warming doesn't mean instant hot temperatures every day. Just because California was cold for one season doesn't mean Global Warming ain't happening.

~Tsugomaru

[DARKSAMUS]

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I think it's all just a bunch of liberal garbage.

[madmatt621]

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I'm just not going to argue anymore about global warming.

[Reach]

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But the several hundred year lag is important! As said in the Great Swindle, most of our CO2 comes from the ocean and oceans release more CO2 gases when it is hotter. It also takes many years, even hundreds to heat up an ocean. That's why the CO2 lags behind heat.

The solar graph however, is more accurate because there is virtually no lag.

~Tsugomaru

You're using the great swindle as your source? >__> It was presented by a bunch of people that arn't scientists, that fabricated fake data and used a bunch hypothesis that as I recall were debunked years ago.

The solar graph was bunk and faked/altered to make it seem like a great idea, but when the graph was fixed it was revealed the sunspot theory was wrong and has nothing to do with recent warming.


And i'm pretty sure the oceans absorb CO2. The claim was that water vapour is warming the planet which is...obviously ridiculous...

There were also other numerous false claims made in this video. It's a piece of trash to be quite frank. The real swindle here is that people like you are believing this crap.


Edit: http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?opti...=137&Itemid=83

found this with some google. breaks it down pretty well.

[GuidoHunter]

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DARKSAMUS, thanks for reading the posts in this thread.

Really, you've contributed so much in repeating things that have been refuted already.

Do it again some time.*

















Don't.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com