Homosexual Marriage

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Er...if you'd actually read any of the thread you'd see that we long since acknowledged that the seperation of church and state means that churches can decided all on their own whether they want to allow it or not, but that our entire discussion was about the -LEGAL- status of "Married" which (also because of the seperation of church and state) has nothing to do with religious union at all.

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

See the point of posting in this thread is to argue about homosexual marriage and post intelligent posts on the issue. If you don't care what other people have posted, then you definitely should stop posting here.
Critical thinking means you have to carefully think about what you are posting, and you are not the only one I am directing this at either, quite alot of people keep giving "I think its okay because I don't see why not" speeches, and its maddening. And, I say for the last time: Read other posts before posting! If the information you are positing to this thread doesn't resemble any other post, then by all means post it! But if not, don't spam this thread up with random "homosexual marriage is cool" speeches.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

See the point of posting in this thread is to argue about homosexual marriage and post intelligent posts on the issue. If you don't care what other people have posted, then you definitely should stop posting here.
Critical thinking means you have to carefully think about what you are posting, and you are not the only one I am directing this at either, quite alot of people keep giving "I think its okay because I don't see why not" speeches, and its maddening. And, I say for the last time: Read other posts before posting! If the information you are positing to this thread doesn't resemble any other post, then by all means post it! But if not, don't spam this thread up with random "homosexual marriage is cool" speeches.

Think critically on this then before you stray further off topic-

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-

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[MRTL_mrclean17]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Think critically on this then before you stray further off topic-

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-


www.careplus.com

I was thinking critically and I had posted on-topic.

It's great that you have beliefs, so does everybody, everybody has a different take on a subject, but the question isn't "what?" or "who?", it's "why?". If you are going to post your belief, please do explain why you believe so. Be sure to put forward evidence as well to support your argument.

P.S. Would you prefer a lecture from somone you did know?

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I don't need a lecture from some random guy on the forums to tell me what I can or can't post my beliefs on in a topic that asks for them.

Would this be a better source than "some random guy"?

1. Only post if you can contribute something to the topic/debate. This means no more: "What <insert name> Said" , or "I agree/disagree".

Also, as per

I couldn't give a flying rat's **** what you guys have acknowledged here.

2. Do not take anything personally. No flaming.

And further, with regards to

Marriage is a religious bonding of two beings. You need to have someone with the power to do so in order to make a marriage complete.

Individuals of the same sex were not meant to share such a relationship.

4. Since this is a Critical Thinking Forum use evidence to back up your statement if needed.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I'd type more, but I'm currently at work. Direct all further questions and arguments to my lawyer-

www.careplus.com

You're still asking questions.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

You're still asking questions.

Take your trash to the garbage bin please. If you are going to accuse people of going off-topic, you would do better to stay on it yourself. And definitely don't dismiss what Devonin had said. He/she has brought up some good points.

[Iamnotamule]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

This is the worst topic to be debating about. Homosexuality is an abomination. There in fact is a list of abominations in the bible, and sure enough, homosexuality is a the top, WITH ANIMALS!

This tells you how bad it is. No there is no such thing as overpopulation. Homosexuality is not controlling it, and if you think that, please take this topic more seriously. As I had said before, this is a bad topic to be debating about. There is overflowing though, and thats because America is a "Free Country". Not neccesarily. In the bible (KING JAMES PEOPLE!) there is a law that says " Obey the laws of the land(s)". In other words, obey the laws. If you think that this is irrelevant, then you should not be on the high thinker forum. Hence the name, "Critical Thinking".

Alot of you people aren't not taking this serously, which in this case, you should probably not type at all, but just read.

I for one, do not support gay marrage. I think that it is disquisting, and that gays should go to hell. But thats my opinion, but to god, that is a fact.

America was founded on Christianity. America only "Allows" other religions to be practiced, but Christianity is what America is still based on.

I believe that gay marrage should be banned. If you didn't know, when you were born, it says in the bible that the babes soul is pure. God does not control your life, but he actually guides it through the sayings of preachers.
People who say " Oh no, no, no, I was born this way ", Seriously, the devil has gotten ahold of this person. God does not create you without choices, and he cannot make one direct path when you are born.

Gays, please stop being in denial, and follow the path of God

- Those are my thoughts, and I hope someone agrees.

[Iamnotamule]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Moderator Please delete THIS POST!

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

This is the worst topic to be debating about. Homosexuality is an abomination. There in fact is a list of abominations in the bible, and sure enough, homosexuality is a the top, WITH ANIMALS!

And if you happen to not believe (As billions of people do not believe) that the bible is universal fact and law...what then?

Also...the united states was nowhere NEAR "Founded on Christianity" The seperation of church and state was one of the founding principles of America, not the complete subsuming the of the state by one particular church.

Edit: Also, because it seems lately that nobody else is bothering to read them...

4. Since this is a Critical Thinking Forum use evidence to back up your statement if needed. This means no more: "The Bible says so."

[Iamnotamule]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

And if you happen to not believe (As billions of people do not believe) that the bible is universal fact and law...what then?

Also...the united states was nowhere NEAR "Founded on Christianity" The seperation of church and state was one of the founding principles of America, not the complete subsuming the of the state by one particular church.

Not one of the founding principles of America.

It was actually very close to being and it is in fact founded on Christianity. When the First Americans Established America it was founded on christianity, and that particular religion is what brought it together. The fact that we had serveral presidents that were in my opinion, horrible, had allowed gay marrage and so and so, is wrong.

Where did you get your information, Wikipedia?

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By the way this was my opinion, bible was fact. You cannot pick on me because of what I Posted. I simply posted what I thought, and what was fact, not what I think was fact.

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The bible is fact. You cannot call it an opinion. The bible does say so.

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And it is evidence. Someone could have not made that up much less take up so much of their time writing false statements about a man that was true and that did die on a cross for our sins.

It is fact. That is someones opinion that the bible is not.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Alrighty...since you want to call our ability to think critically into question:

The bible is fact. You cannot call it an opinion. The bible does say so.

Petitio Principii or Begging the question - This is a common fallacy wherein your evidence in support of an argument presupposed that you have already accepted the argument, or requires that you have. Example: The case example of begging the question is arguing the validity of the bible using evidence contained within the bible. In order for the evidence to be acceptable, you have to have already concluded that the bible is valid.

And also:

Gays, please stop being in denial, and follow the path of God

Argumentum ad Baculum or Appeal to force - This fallacy is where you conclude that a premise is right/wrong because there is a threat of punishment to do otherwise. Example: Believe in God or you will go to hell.

And again:

The fact that we had serveral presidents that were in my opinion, horrible, had allowed gay marrage and so and so, is wrong.

Ad Antiquitatem or Appeal to Tradition - Presenting your view as correct because "It has always been this way" Example: The law has always said that marriage is between a man and a women, there's no reason to change it.

Where did you get your information, Wikipedia?

I got my knowledge of history, and how to carry out a proper argument from a half decade of university as a history and philosophy major, so I'd appreciate it if you called my qualifications into question in a more formal and reasonable manner, as people who've been trained in formal debate tend to take that kind of ad hominem attack seriously.

[Iamnotamule]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Alrighty...since you want to call our ability to think critically into question:




And also:


And again:






I got my knowledge of history, and how to carry out a proper argument from a half decade of university as a history and philosophy major, so I'd appreciate it if you called my qualifications into question in a more formal and reasonable manner, as people who've been trained in formal debate tend to take that kind of ad hominem attack seriously.

I too, am a History major, and I majored at Yale Academy.

The Sentence " The Bible does say so" Was in reply to your quote on quote no "the bible says so".

No. Believe in god or you will go do hell? No. Commit sins and you will go to hell. I would suggest that you put some deep thought into this before you start ripping off quotes that do not pertain to this thread again.

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Real quick, if the US wasnt based at least somewhat on christianity then you are saying that the religious extremists who were so devoted to their faith that they fled the motherland and created a new nation did not in any way use their faith as a basis for the country they founded. I always thought it was interesting how a good portion of the laws are almost directly rooted back to the ten commandments, coincidence maybe? Probably not considering the people who founded the country.

In any case, this (although somewhat related to homosexuality and its legality in the US) is kinda off topic and im suprised to see that people are still posting in this thread after my leave of absence.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Real quick, if the US wasnt based at least somewhat on christianity then you are saying that the religious extremists who were so devoted to their faith that they fled the motherland and created a new nation did not in any way use their faith as a basis for the country they founded.

America's settlement (read: still under English rule) was based on religion, most specifically Christianity. Hell, it might not be appropriate to even call that America. It would be more appropriate to say that the British colonies were founded on religion, because...

When the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was founded, the basis was NOT in religion. In fact, the founding fathers created the government such that it wouldn't have problems with religion like other European countries had.

I always thought it was interesting how a good portion of the laws are almost directly rooted back to the ten commandments, coincidence maybe?

Quite. Which laws can be related to the Ten Commandments? Don't murder? Don't [/i]steal[/i]. Those are completely intuitive and I guarantee every nation has laws against such, even if they're founded in Islam, paganism, or anything else. I find it much more interesting that the commandments that are heavily religion-based have NO analogous law in America. I can take the Lord's name in vain. I don't have to keep holy the Sabbath. I can have false gods before God. I don't have to honor my father and mother. Hell, I can bear false witness all over the place in a legal manner.

Nice to see how your argument destroys itself.

--Guido

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