Homosexual Marriage

[devonin]

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Christianity was the first religeon

Um...no...no it wasn't, not by a very very longshot, like...several thousand years no...

Also, the rules of the forum state to not post unless you directly contribute to the discussion at hand. The discussion at hand is the political ramifications of the move to legalise homosexual marriage in the United States...posting "it's a bad idea" contributes nothing to the discussion, we -know- some people consider it a bad idea, just like we -know- some people consider it a good idea, continually saying that over and over doesn't add anything.

[lord_carbo]

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Well...their God's word is "Go out and save people from damnation" so uh...I think it's kinda both.

The question you need to ask, though, is the intent. I guarantee you most of the time it's to please God by doing it, not to make yourself feel better by doing the right thing because you're saving people from an everlasting life in hell. As my church pastor explains situations like this, it's "scoring a few brownie points with God."

When our church did mission trips, we were "working for God."

It should not be allowed, and this is for a fact.

Christianity was the first religeon, and now that we have biased people in our country, we now have mixed religions.

It's the law of god that there is no homosexuality.

My God says homosexuality is allowed. Wutcha gonna do?

[psychopete]

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It should not be allowed, and this is for a fact.

Christianity was the first religeon, and now that we have biased people in our country, we now have mixed religions.

It's the law of god that there is no homosexuality.

No, it wasn't. Also, you're the one being biased, and bias does not come from mixed religions, it comes from personal preference.

And if you truely believe it to be the law of God, then why are there gay priests and ministers? Look, if God was truely like that, wouldn't he have smited ALL of the sinners by now? Because everyone is a sinner.

[Reikobi]

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if[/i] there were extremist laws, as you say, to make people loving someone the same sex and/or gender as them a punishable crime (which actually do exist in the U.S.A. in some states, though in a reduced form and applies to M/F couples as well as M/M), non-heterosexuals would still continue to love whomever they want to. Because let's face it: you can't stop love. A world without love would be a very sad world, indeed. Even love "like that". Think a Brokeback Mountain-type dealie, or even "Romeo & Juliet", where the lovers can only meet in secret. Think about how many couples of all kinds of combinations probably already exist, and not just homosexual ones: i.e. the smart, young girl dating the punk, trashy dude who goes to your local community college and still gets all Cs, Ds & Fs.

Oh, sigh...I ramble again.

Heh, I actually considered that as I was writing, but alas, 'twas late at night and I neglected to elaborate. Note that I utilized the word "hope", though, which does not imply that their attempts to thwart the strong bonds of love with legislation would actually be effective. On the contrary, and as you said (but I neglected to clarify, hence I am NOW), I actually believe that any attempt to ban homosexual LOVE (as in affection, rather than sex or marriage) would be largely inefficient. Much like banning marijuana/alcohol. Think Prohibition. XD

I should stop being lazy, and actually completely explain myself. :P

Er, on a side note... and not that you necessarily even believe this yourself, but...

Grades and social label are not always, or even often, good precursors for judging one's intellect. There are a great many "punk, trashy" kids who I've found to have a surprising level of insight. But then, this is COMPLETELY off-topic, so I'll stop here. Just a pet peeve of mine, is all.

[Specforces]

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But if nobody tests you, you never have to think critically.

I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread. Futhermore, I think that all "bible discussion" should be eliminated from the critical thinking forum due to the fact that the bible has many inconsistencies, a plethora of religious parables that can be interpreted many different ways, and cannot be argued about with logic(for the most part) as most will base their evidence on "faith."

I'm very close to locking this thread for inciting religious riots in Ohio.

[Kamunt]

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Please note that this post is FILLED with terribly dry sarcasm, the type used in shows like "Moral Orel" on [adult swim], which I'm actually surprised no one's brought up yet. Most of my 1st paragraph following this one is "real", but it gets sarcastic towards the end. Just to forewarn you all.

Does the Bible say "Thou can't be attracted to another dude?" NO! It says, to paraphrase, "Don't have sex with other dudes." The latter is VERY MUCH something that they can help.

Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.

1.) Not everyone believes in God or every detail in the Bible, or stresses it so significantly (if you can understand that).

I don't think anyone alive today does, even the Pope himself.

What if the Bible said 'Thou shall not breath'? You wouldn't know of this as a baby, and therefore, you would already have sinned and be cast into the fiery depths of hell, right?
Every minute you lived after that would be another minute of sin, but God, as an understanding superior, wouldn't throw you in hell for something beyond the boundary of your natural control, would he?

No, because being Baptized obviously clears you of all Original Sin, and since Adam & Eve obviously had to breathe in order to live, breathing is also and Original Sin. Hence, it becomes OK to breathe once you're head is dunked in "holy water". Isn't Christianity convenient? Where you can just dunk your head in some water proclaimed holy and be cleansed of your sins and go to Heaven by default? Because, you know, if you AREN'T baptized, then you go to Hell. Yep yeup yup, of course. Makes sense.

Homosexuality is not a choice. For example, if your straight, go turn gay. No, seriously, be gay right now. Why won't you do it?... because you're not attracted to the same sex. Now tell a gay person to turn straight. They can't... it's beyond their control. They can hide it and resist urge, but they can never turn themselves straight or have someone turn them straight.

Of COURSE you can choose to be gay. It's an easy choice. All you have to do is convince yourself that pain is pleasure and that being unpopular and creepy is cool. Simply doing. Then you find other teens/young adults that feel the same way and "intermix" with them, doing an assortment of drugs and swapping knives and switchblades in the process. Can't forget the drag, skin-tight jeans, eyeliner and dark nail polish, obligatory chains & clothing adorned with the names of any of varying modern punk rock bands of varying crappiness. We call these people "Emo" for short.

...I'm tired, lemme alone. LOL. And...tha_Guardians, that was a chaotically long post, even for someone like me, LMAO, who is known for making ridiculously long posts. I tip A Pimp Named Slickback to you.

[soulofcerberus]

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Please note that this post is FILLED with terribly dry sarcasm, the type used in shows like "Moral Orel" on [adult swim], which I'm actually surprised no one's brought up yet. Most of my 1st paragraph following this one is "real", but it gets sarcastic towards the end. Just to forewarn you all.



Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.



I don't think anyone alive today does, even the Pope himself.



No, because being Baptized obviously clears you of all Original Sin, and since Adam & Eve obviously had to breathe in order to live, breathing is also and Original Sin. Hence, it becomes OK to breathe once you're head is dunked in "holy water". Isn't Christianity convenient? Where you can just dunk your head in some water proclaimed holy and be cleansed of your sins and go to Heaven by default? Because, you know, if you AREN'T baptized, then you go to Hell. Yep yeup yup, of course. Makes sense.



Of COURSE you can choose to be gay. It's an easy choice. All you have to do is convince yourself that pain is pleasure and that being unpopular and creepy is cool. Simply doing. Then you find other teens/young adults that feel the same way and "intermix" with them, doing an assortment of drugs and swapping knives and switchblades in the process. Can't forget the drag, skin-tight jeans, eyeliner and dark nail polish, obligatory chains & clothing adorned with the names of any of varying modern punk rock bands of varying crappiness. We call these people "Emo" for short.

...I'm tired, lemme alone. LOL. And...tha_Guardians, that was a chaotically long post, even for someone like me, LMAO, who is known for making ridiculously long posts. I tip A Pimp Named Slickback to you.

God I love sarcasm :P

[Kamunt]

lol unproductive post

God I love sarcasm :P

And sarcasm/myself loves you, too.

I'm for gay marriage. Not arguing about it though.

PS - Homosexuals are proof of nature's way of population control. x] Jk.

YYYYEESS!!!!!! Winner! This thread was won on the very first page, who'd have guessed? If this wasn't in CT, I'd playfully insert a not-very-derogatory name to call them here.


~Last Call~

[u84]

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Actually, I don't agree with any of you. You don't just dunk your head in "holy" water and automatically be Heavenized. You have to first get saved, and then babtized in water. There is no such thing as "holy" water. And doing these things doesn'y mean what was sin before is now ok. It means that what you've previously done is forgiven and won't send you to Hell. You still have to try not to sin, but you always still will because it's in our nature, and then you must ask God to forgive you for those sins. Now, on to the homosexuality (and for time purposes, I will now call it gay). The Bible does say that gayness is against God. Read the King James Version and you will see for yourself. Although gayness is a sin, it can be forgiven, just like murder, by getting saved. But someone who is saved and believes in God and continues to be gay, is defying God by continually doing the same sin.

[devonin]

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I'm not sure how "The Book says so, so I believe it without question" remotely counts as critical thinking...

[soulofcerberus]

Re: lol unproductive post

And sarcasm/myself loves you, too.

Yes Love is in the air. What a perfect thread for it too. Let's get married :P.

[u84]

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I'm not sure how "The Book says so, so I believe it without question" remotely counts as critical thinking...

Umm, no, that's not wat I was saying. I'm saying I've read it in The Bible. And you obviously haven't, so I would stop talking about stuff of which you do not know.

[Lamoc]

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Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.

In most countrys homosexuals are arrested and even put to death for loving the same sex. This used to happen here a long time ago. Doesn't matter what people love. Love is Love.

[soulofcerberus]

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In most countrys homosexuals are arrested and even put to death for loving the same sex. This used to happen here a long time ago. Doesn't matter what people love. Love is Love.

There was extreme sarcasm in that whole rant you replied to. But I think that the extreme hatred toward homosexuals is wrong in so many ways.

[u84]

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Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.