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  • Kamunt
    FFR Player
    • May 2005
    • 372

    #121
    Re: Homosexual Marriage

    Originally posted by soulofcerberus
    Homosexual marriage is definitely counterproductive, but so is abortion, and divorce. Just because something is counterproductive doesn't mean that it is shunned by society.
    Right, I mean, does counterproductivity always have to be so bad? Look at it this way: the more same-sex couples there are, the less people there are born to attribute to overpopulation and homelessness even quicker. Plus, these same-sex couples could adopt a baby whose parents don't want/can't take care of, which would actually help America out when you think about it. There's no international maxim which states, "Gay people suck at raising kids!" last time I checked, so I figure, "Why not?" As a matter of fact, one of my younger sister's friends through her softball actually has "two mothers", now that I think about it. True story.
    And just because you love somebody doesn't give you the right to complain to everybody else and change the laws of your state. Just because your mindset doesn't agree with a law doesn't mean that it should be changed. If we changed laws based on how people felt, prostitution would be legal as well as drugs and murder and almost everything else.
    I doubt that bolded part highly, for some reason, especially the "murder and almost everything else" part. Last time I checked, most people don't like prostitution, drugs, murdering people, rape, robbing banks, drive-bys, etc. In all seriousness, though, actually yes it does give you the right to complain, if you feel strongly about something. Especially since, last time I checked the statistics, almost or around 50% of Americans support Gay Rights. 150,000,000 people seems pretty important to me, yet you're saying that they aren't allowed to complain just because they don't agree with the current laws that govern most of our nation? I'll go back to the Blacks' and Women's Rights Movements again, if necessary.
    Originally posted by Silvuh
    Say a Christian majority voted for a proposition to not recognize any kind of homosexual marriage or civil union... That doesn't mean the church isn't separate from the state; it means that the majority vote counted.
    But if they voted this way because of their religion, Christianity, then that's where the separation of Church and State concept comes into play, I think. Or I could be wrong and could just be typing to see my own words on the screen. *pokes your avatar and location*
    What kind of a president would not veto a law legalizing murder? If someone feels one way, there will always be someone else to oppose, right?
    That's very true, however....how in the hell would a law legalizing murder ever even be written, LMAO? It wouldn't even get out of the hands of the sponsor, much less the House or Senate. I know what you're trying to say, though, just using an extreme example, I see.
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    • devonin
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      • Apr 2004
      • 10120

      #122
      Re: Homosexual Marriage

      But if they voted this way because of their religion, Christianity, then that's where the separation of Church and State concept comes into play, I think.
      Not quite, I mean, not only can you, you have the constitutional right to allow your religious beliefs influence your opinion on political matters all you want.

      The seperation of church and state as a concept means generally that the church and state exist as seperate entities, with seperate agendas and leaders, and followers, and everything.

      That element of the constitution was presumably put in there based on history of people like Henry VIII who was both the leader of the church and of the nation simultaneously, and that in such cases, it's -impossible- to say that such a person will defend the rights of all people to practice their religion any way they like.

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      • slipstrike0159
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2005
        • 568

        #123
        Re: Homosexual Marriage

        Originally posted by devonin
        Not quite, I mean, not only can you, you have the constitutional right to allow your religious beliefs influence your opinion on political matters all you want.

        The seperation of church and state as a concept means generally that the church and state exist as seperate entities, with seperate agendas and leaders, and followers, and everything.

        That element of the constitution was presumably put in there based on history of people like Henry VIII who was both the leader of the church and of the nation simultaneously, and that in such cases, it's -impossible- to say that such a person will defend the rights of all people to practice their religion any way they like.
        I think a more accurate way to describe separation between church and state would be to say that it is not allowed to teach gospel doctrine during government funded schools in which case the government leaders would have to put it on the teachers agenda to teach it. Basically, forcibly feeding people the religious ideas of a political leader is what it covers. Although i could be horribly wrong so feel more than free to set me straight.

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        • soulofcerberus
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2006
          • 367

          #124
          Re: Homosexual Marriage

          Originally posted by Kamunt
          I doubt that bolded part highly, for some reason, especially the "murder and almost everything else" part. Last time I checked, most people don't like prostitution, drugs, murdering people, rape, robbing banks, drive-bys, etc. In all seriousness, though, actually yes it does give you the right to complain, if you feel strongly about something. Especially since, last time I checked the statistics, almost or around 50% of Americans support Gay Rights. 150,000,000 people seems pretty important to me, yet you're saying that they aren't allowed to complain just because they don't agree with the current laws that govern most of our nation? I'll go back to the Blacks' and Women's Rights Movements again, if necessary.
          You're right, but the "murder and almost everything else" was referring to my beliefs that individual people, or minorities (no matter how minor) shouldn't be given the right to change everything.

          However in a case like this, democracy is even more important, and when the majority, or even a largely significant part or the country/world speak up, that is when things have to change.

          I still think that it is wrong, marriage is between a man and a woman. Plain and simple.

          Also don't get on me for not understanding. I'm bi and I still think that it's wrong. Love's great but there are some things that you just don't need paperwork to tell you that it's important to you.

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          • devonin
            Very Grave Indeed
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            • Apr 2004
            • 10120

            #125
            Re: Homosexual Marriage

            you just don't need paperwork to tell you that it's important to you.
            I can tell you from personal experience, they don't give the slightest damn about the paper somehow making their love "legitimate" but two people living together permanantly have certain rights and benefits that ought (the argument goes) to be extended to any set of two people in that arrangement.

            Nobody is arguing "The gays want to be married so they can go "Ooh look at me, I'm married"" They're arguing "Why should the gender of the two people make one whit of difference in applying a non-religious, legal status on them"

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            • Lamoc
              FFR Player
              • Nov 2006
              • 551

              #126
              Re: Homosexual Marriage

              Originally posted by GuidoHunter
              Yes, a completely baseless one.

              Oh, forgive me for thinking that this was the Critical Thinking forum and that we were discussing gay marriage, not mindlessly bashing religion. Your post was completely out of place and it seems to me that you're taking every chance to get to spew word vomit all over this perfectly fine thread.

              --Guido
              I don't have to support my beliefs and what I believe in. To you lets say, killing someone is wrong. To you its just moraly wrong and should never be done. To me Religion is moraly wrong and is pointless in some situations. Yes religion does bring hope for people but it also sets so many limits on society and how we think. The perfect example of homosexuals. Religion always beats down on homosexuals on how its wrong and should never be and how a male and female should always be together and never the same sex. It's "moraly" wrong. "God" didn't create us to be that way. Well screw god and "The word of god". This is a free country. I can mess around with anyone of the same sex I please. Its my choice not some old book that says BIBLE on it.

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              • soulofcerberus
                FFR Player
                • Aug 2006
                • 367

                #127
                Re: Homosexual Marriage

                The gender of the two people makes a difference because the status of "marriage" is by definition man and woman.

                Why don't we change the definition of a word because it doesn't suit us. Hooray!

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                • Specforces
                  Yes
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 5028

                  #128
                  Re: Homosexual Marriage

                  Originally posted by devonin
                  Well, thanks for taking Critical Thinking so seriously, it's much appreciated.
                  Son, I'm the original Critical Thinker, don't test me.
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                  • devonin
                    Very Grave Indeed
                    Event Staff
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 10120

                    #129
                    Re: Homosexual Marriage

                    Man, a cavalcade of objections today:

                    Originally posted by Lamoc
                    I don't have to support my beliefs and what I believe in.
                    In CT you do, it's right up there in the rules for the forum.

                    Originally posted by soulofcerberus
                    Why don't we change the definition of a word because it doesn't suit us. Hooray!
                    If by "because it doesn't suit us" you mean "because it's unconstitutional" you'll have the point a little more clearly.

                    Originally posted by specforces
                    Son, I'm the original Critical Thinker, don't test me.
                    But if nobody tests you, you never have to think critically.

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                    • hayatewillown
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 413

                      #130
                      Re: Homosexual Marriage

                      It should not be allowed, and this is for a fact.

                      Christianity was the first religeon, and now that we have biased people in our country, we now have mixed religions.

                      It's the law of god that there is no homosexuality.

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                      • 00Razor00
                        FFR Player
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 3530

                        #131
                        Re: Homosexual Marriage

                        This topic is stupid, because, The Bible shall not dictate who we marry
                        and what sex we marry to...

                        period, paragraph

                        Even if two men or two women were madly
                        in love for each other... it still wouldnt be right

                        but in other words I APRROVE IT!


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                        • hayatewillown
                          FFR Veteran
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 413

                          #132
                          Re: Homosexual Marriage

                          This topic is stupid, because, The Bible shall not dictate who we marry
                          and what sex we marry to...
                          ---------------------------------------------


                          Your right. God does

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                          • 00Razor00
                            FFR Player
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 3530

                            #133
                            Re: Homosexual Marriage

                            uh thats why you have quote button, ROFL!


                            Originally posted by t-rogdor
                            hey buddy are you looking for a good song to step because if so i really recommend you step In Front Of A Bus

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                            • Lamoc
                              FFR Player
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 551

                              #134
                              Re: Homosexual Marriage

                              Right there is this entire topic in a nutshell.

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                              • GuidoHunter
                                is against custom titles
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 7371

                                #135
                                Re: Homosexual Marriage

                                Originally posted by hayatewillown
                                Christianity was the first religeon
                                I can only assume that you mean "in this country". Even then, though, how does that change anything? Just because our founders were Christian doesn't mean that Christianity is somehow favored, especially in policymaking.

                                --Guido


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