Homosexual Marriage

[Kamunt]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

YEAH short and to the point!! Way to sun up my 4-paragraph essay, lol.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

let them marry!!!

Define "Let"
Define "Them"
Define "Marry"


Then maybe we can get into an actual discussion of a point on the subject at hand, instead of reiterating and reiterating what has already been said, in a way that doesn't lead to further debate or discussion.

[Tails99]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

There are very few actual benefits to being legally married, I believe one of the benefits is a meager tax deduction.

Marriage benefits

Here you go.

[Lamoc]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I don't even understand the religeous point of view on this. My best friend is a pastor and he says there realy isn't anything in the bible saying homosexuality is wrong. He brought it up with other pastors and such and all they could come up with is 2 or 3 verses that somewhat relate to homosexuals if you stretch it out a bit. He said there realy isn't anything in the bible saying its wrong.

[Adude6464]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

well, normally i wouldn't care about this but. . .

i've got a couple of friends that are sorta lesbians, but they're sorta not. they hug and kiss like a couple, but idk if they're straight or lesbians. the 2 friends i have said that they loved each other. they're more like mother and daughter, and that's what i think of them when i see them together.
Anyways, one of those 2 were writing a paper for school about this topic (kinda, it was about homos getting killed for being that way.) it was so sad. i read it and it said that a person got killed by random ppl on the street. (check my random thought on my profile.)
i believe in the rights of the individuals,(as well as the world being conquered by greed and money.) and i believe that people should be allowed to do whatever they want. government has nothing to do with this. (again my beliefs: presidency and government is only here because we need an unholy leader to guide our way through problems with the world.) oh, and the person who wrote the paper's school, there are a handful of ppl who respond to her paper with "Yeah! Gay Pride!". . .
so i have to take their side on this. "Yeah! Gay Pride!"

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

No, not at all.

I don't recall ever being granted the "freedom" to have the government recognize my religious union (or provide a secular union).

We have the freedom to get married and that will never change.

We certainly are not guaranteed a "freedom" to have the government recognize (or provide) all marriages because the government is not obligated by the constitution to do so. It gets to pick and choose, which is why heterosexual marriages are given full faith and credit while gay marriages are not.

Nowhere are we guaranteed recognition of marriage, so not recognizing them all is not violating any freedom of ours.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

I'm talking about discrimination mainly. I just thought that the same government who said that all should be created equal should not be able to pick and choose who gets the benefits and who doesnt based on one "uncontrollable" aspect of their life.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I don't even understand the religeous point of view on this. My best friend is a pastor and he says there realy isn't anything in the bible saying homosexuality is wrong. He brought it up with other pastors and such and all they could come up with is 2 or 3 verses that somewhat relate to homosexuals if you stretch it out a bit. He said there realy isn't anything in the bible saying its wrong.

Then you have a VERY liberal pastor who is certainly not indicative of the majority of Christian religious leaders.

Just because you're ignorant of Christian teachings doesn't make them nonexistent. If you ask me, the Bible's pretty damn clear on the matter.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Yeah, but the bible's also damn clear on all manner of other things that most people today, even very conservative christians wouldn't support.

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Yeah, but the bible's also damn clear on all manner of other things that most people today, even very conservative christians wouldn't support.

And that is where the fault in religion lies... Many people claim to be supporters of the church but choose and pick which part of the religious teachings that they will follow through convenience.

However dont get me wrong, religion brings great things for people. I'm mormon and i would like to think that if i wasnt i would have a harder life if i didnt have the teachings of the bible and book of mormon in my life

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

A 2000-year old book being outdated isn't a fault in religion. It's logical sense. Blind adherance to a 2000-year old book is a fault in -some- religious people, but for a 2000-year old book, a surprisingly large amount of what it has to say is still perfectly applicable now.

[psychopete]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I'm talking about discrimination mainly. I just thought that the same government who said that all should be created equal should not be able to pick and choose who gets the benefits and who doesnt based on one "uncontrollable" aspect of their life.

Look, if you think this is true, then you must be against other things like it, where the government benefits somebody based on something they can't control, like welfare (for the most part). Look, personally, I don't care about the marriage benefits, as long as they recognize our marriages as legitimate in places BESIDES Massachusetts.

[Verruckter]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

And that is where the fault in religion lies... Many people claim to be supporters of the church but choose and pick which part of the religious teachings that they will follow through convenience.

Yes, because that's what religion is about.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

as long as they recognize our marriages as legitimate

What do you mean by 'they' 'recognise' 'marriage' and 'legitimate'?

Please everyone, we -really- need to make a better effort to pick our topic and stick with it here, we're going back to the religious end of it, which is a bit of a jacob's ladder. No matter how often we move up a step, we just fold another step onto the end. We can go in circles and circles for 50 pages in no time at all this way.

In fact, would it maybe even be more clear if we roped Guido into making a second "Homosexual Marriage [Religious]" thread, rename this one to "Homosexual Marriage [Political]" and seperate out the topics? Because it almost seems like I can read a nice discussion about the religious aspect of gay marriage on odd numbered pages, and a nice discussion about the political aspects on even numbered pages.

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I don't even understand the religeous point of view on this. My best friend is a pastor and he says there realy isn't anything in the bible saying homosexuality is wrong. He brought it up with other pastors and such and all they could come up with is 2 or 3 verses that somewhat relate to homosexuals if you stretch it out a bit. He said there realy isn't anything in the bible saying its wrong.

This is what i came up with last time we had an arguement about homosexuality.

Leviticus 17:22 reads:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
If you look at the footnotes for this scripture it is spelled out as it speaks "With the male you shall not lie as one lies with the woman"

Also look at Isaiah 3:9 which says, "The shew of thier countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hid it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves."

Perhaps the New Testament? Romans 1: 27 - "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."


How about this one? 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." Abusers of themselves as it is put has a footnote that relates them to Homosexuals/Homosexuality.

Jude 1:7 - "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" With yet more footnotes relating to homosexuality.

So i believe that the bible indeed DOES show that it is a sin.

A 2000-year old book being outdated isn't a fault in religion. It's logical sense. Blind adherance to a 2000-year old book is a fault in -some- religious people, but for a 2000-year old book, a surprisingly large amount of what it has to say is still perfectly applicable now.

If you dont like following a book that old, then maybe you should read up on the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants which are more recent when compared to the bible. They deal more on modern day revelations.


And no, i dont really think that religion is about following one aspect of it or one subject you agree with but then purposely not following another teaching purely cause its not convenient to you.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

They deal more on modern day revelations.

That statement assumes I believe -any- religious document to be genuine revelation from God, which I don't.