Why would anyone play Halo?

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

The thing is, I'm asserting that Halo is a factually bad game, lacking the substance that a good FPS should have, such as balance, depth, play speed, and a longer learning curve.

Balance? What the hell is unbalanced about Halo 2? What the hell do you even mean by "balance"?

Depth? What about Quake 3 is deep? I saw nothing "deep" about that video that Halo doens't have. Then again, you're also going to have to define "deep" since it doesn't make a whole lot of contextual sense.

Play speed? Hahahahaha. Why would that make a good FPS? Oh, that's right, it doesn't. First of all, that's a quality of PC FPS's. Having to manipulate two small sticks with only your thumb is COMPLETELY different than throwing a mouse around with your entire hand. Many people play Halo as opposed to Q3 because it isn't retarded fast. I know I do. What, are you just jealous of Halo's popularity because it appeals to a broader base of players?

Lastly, you mention a longer learning curve. Again, that isn't something that makes a game good. First of all, a shorter curve draws more people into playing the game. The gradual curve past that makes it easier for those people to continue playing and get better. Steep learning curves only push people away.

The best Halo player is just as good skillwise as the best Quake 3 player.

Compare Halo/2 to a game like Quake 3, so deep, it's still played heavily in competition to this day. Just to show you what competitive play looks like,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zmItEP5fgDA

Now tell me that Halo/2 can even compare to the depth of gameplay.

Again, what's "deep" about that, and what doesn't Halo have? Nothing, if you ask me.

You say Q3 is still being played in tournaments, but I guarantee you Halo's the main attraction at more, and will be for a long, long time.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MalReynolds]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zmItEP5fgDA

Now tell me that Halo/2 can even compare to the depth of gameplay.

Are you kidding me? A low-qual video of someone doing well, running really fast and nailing kills equates to depth, balance and skill? Just kind of looked like they ran around in a big circle and whore the lightning gun. If someone can get really good at a game, that doesn't make it good or better than any other game.

You're trying to present your arguement as fact when it's clearly just a misguided opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjWthTfe2xs

Wow, I can find a YouTube video of someone playing Halo 2 well! My arguement is water-tight!

[Synthlight]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

The thing is, I'm asserting that Halo is a factually bad game, lacking the substance that a good FPS should have, such as balance, depth, play speed, and a longer learning curve.

Compare Halo/2 to a game like Quake 3, so deep, it's still played heavily in competition to this day. Just to show you what competitive play looks like,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zmItEP5fgDA

Now tell me that Halo/2 can even compare to the depth of gameplay.

I think that video you showed is factually bad. I also think you have not played enough halo2 multiplayer to understand the learning curve involved, the playspeed or depth. Again, you don't present any strong arguments yet. You will have to dig deeper than opinions based on inexperience with Halo2.

I am however interested in your definition of deep when talking about about Quake 3. In your eyes, what makes it deep compared to a game like Halo2?

Cheers,

Synthlight

[dunlop]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

Halo 2 is really easy to become good at. Halo was much harder and actually took skill to be a top player. Anyone who has played both games can easily see the difference in the learning curve.

The thing with Halo 2 is teamwork. Sure, it's really not that hard to out BR someone, or be an amazing sniper. To go to the next level, you need excellent communication, and you need to know the spawns and level inside and out.

Both are pretty deep games and both are excellent FPS.

[MagicCarpetRide]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

Halo 2 is really easy to become good at..

Am I reading this wrong?
I have beenp laying Halo 2 since back when it came out, Me and my freind are pretty good(modesty). We compete in local competitions whenever we get the chance and I am still getting better all the time.
I have friends that play on a regular basis (at least once a week) and I can still destroy them with my eyes closed.
Halo 2 is really easy to become good at and really HARD to become one of the best.

P.S. If any one wants to play with me on Xboxlive it's
MagicCarpetRide

SUPER P.S.
What you say about Teamwork is definitely true, But I consider that a skill that you develop similar to being an amazing sniper or being able to double shot/Quad shot/ BxR every time.

[tha Guardians]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

I played Halo because the campaign was fun, although I did play on the hardest setting; but more importantly, it was a great game for multiplayer. I could spend hours playing with my brother and friend.

Now I play Halo 2 Online everyday because it's fun. I've tried other games, like Gears of War and Need for Speed, but the one I enjoy the most is Halo 2. You can play ranked games for props against anyone in any type of game catagory you choose, and its a serious, no joke game, unless you play fun, unranked games like Team Swat. Another reason I like, is the creativeness you are allowed in making games. You can find almost any gametype to turn in to a custom game.

Get a group of people. One starts out on the green team; the rest red. Red people can only use human weapons, and the green guy can only use a sword, as it is a melee weapon. When the green guy kills a red guy, the red guy must switch to the green team. Same rules apply.
There you have Dawn of the Dead

There are thousands of games you can setup and imagine, and its just an all around fun game. It's the game MADE for Xbox Live.

[cC@Zz]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

I hated Quake 3.


Anyways I liked the 1st Halos campaign and the 2nd Halos multiplayer and I like the soundtracks for both games. Other than that I hate everything else about Halo. I like FPS that are unigue in Gameplay and have different gameplay aspects than most mainstream shooters. Halo is just the same as most FPS only presented better.

[MagicCarpetRide]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

I hated Quake 3.


Anyways I liked the 1st Halos campaign and the 2nd Halos multiplayer and I like the soundtracks for both games. Other than that I hate everything else about Halo. I like FPS that are unigue in Gameplay and have different gameplay aspects than most mainstream shooters. Halo is just the same as most FPS only presented better.

Stop talking out of your ass.
Halo is basically the definition for all next-gen console FPS
There has never been a game with as much fun packed onto one disc.

[dunlop]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

SUPER P.S.
What you say about Teamwork is definitely true, But I consider that a skill that you develop similar to being an amazing sniper or being able to double shot/Quad shot/ BxR every time.

The glitches do separate an average player from a good player, but none are hard to do except for the double shot. Being able to do the BxR or the double beatdown are the only glitches that you would really use. The double shot is great if you can master it, but you really don't need it. Talking to your teammates is much more effective.

When I said Halo 2 is really easy to become good at, I meant compared to most FPS and especially compared to Halo.

ps. I'll add you next time I get on.

pps. The double shot really isn't that hard to do either, but much harder than the other glitches.

ppps. Claw/Boxer for life!

[cC@Zz]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

Stop talking out of your ass.
Halo is basically the definition for all next-gen console FPS
There has never been a game with as much fun packed onto one disc.

Its my own opinion.

Tell me what Halo has done that other FPS have not.

Its your own opinion that the game is fun. Personally I think its the same as most FPS out there.

[tha Guardians]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

To counter your Q3 video x10, this is what in Halo 2 we call SEMI-pro.
I've seen videos a million times better, but this is what I found out of the Youtube trash.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RS-4sqKmkkU

[tloz998]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

I completely disagree.. Lets get you on Xbox live for some 1 on 1 and I will show you just how easy it is. When you aim at the body and pull the trigger, it hits them. The only exception to this is the accurate lead time you need with things like a human sniper rifle at long distances. I would even argue that Halo2 has some of the best routines for motion anticipation and anti-lag that I have ever seen. What are you talking about with sniping people using a shotgun? If you are more than about 3 feet away from someone with a shotgun, you would take about 5-10 shots to kill them.. at about 10-20 feet away from them and it is completely useless.

Controller vs mouse is a preference.. And I would assume in a real war you would not want a mouse or keyboard or a controller. While more difficult at first, you would be astonished at the ability some people have to use an analog controller. Some people (like CyanoticXTC.. hi Cy!) can go from walking around to zoomed in, aimed and headshot in about 1/8th of a second. Seriously, the guy is incredible with a sniper. It's like he doesn't even need to think about it.

Again, this could be argued for eternity and that is fine. Just don't try to present opinions or speculation as if they are facts. Reading over what you said appears to show contradictions and false information.

Cheers,

Synthlight

Was there leading necessary for the Xbox version? i dont recall...When i mentioned trying to snipe with a shotgun i was referring to COUNTLESS occasions on Halo PC (as i do not own an xbox but have played it online countless times) where people WILL INFACT attempt to kill people at long distances. Its remarkable actually that once and a while it WILL killl you. The xbox lag i will agree is 100% better on halo than others.

True the mouse+ keyboard vs controller is only according to what different experiences one has had with both. i've seen insanity on a controller dont get me wrong, but someone like me is 98% better with a mouse.
and if you put me on 1 on 1 against what you described i would 98% chance of loosing.

im also sorry about the rant as i was in a bad mood to begin with and 6th period at my school is hell so i should probibally go back and edit it but im really lazy and i want to see if someone will agree. No hard feelings synth?

[MagicCarpetRide]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

A classic

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xFIEyoLYxrc

[CyanoticXtC]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

Just to add to the entire idea of Keyboard+mouse vs the analog controller...
A game like halo, is much better with the controller.. I ordered a converter for the old xbox that you can connect a keyboard and mouse to the xbox and play... and it doesnt compare to the analog in the least....
And i'm good with a mouse and keyboard, i played CS quite a bit back in the day, and was on a Pro team in Starcraft..

In starcraft you have to be quick with the keyboard, but even with each button you use in halo to move, jump, crouch, change grenades.. its too much to be doing all that while aiming, zooming, and bouncing grenades..

Keyboard+mouse or analog really mainly depend on the game setup.

[Chromer]

Re: Why would anyone play Halo?

CS is repetitive and Halo isn't?

WHOA WHOA WHOA. CONTRADICTION ALERT.

Halo is just like any other FPS. It's involves you shooting other people with various other weapons. How is Halo innovative? Synth pointed it out and I'm suprised nobody said anything. In Halo, if you shoot at someone, chances are that you are going to hit 95% of the time. In CS or CoD, you have to actually aim unless you spray and randomnly kill someone. Does Halo have body-targeted damage? Does Halo actually require you to have actual hand-eye coordination with the sniper rifle? Last time I checked on Halo 2 (which was just last week) it's still piss easy to headshot someone in Lockout or Zanzibar.

Point is, I really don't want to hear people try to justify a game like Halo which is the exact thing every other FPS is: just a FPS with a kickass multiplayer and amazing soundtrack. =P

PS: CS rocks.