Is America ready?

[fido123]

Re: Is America ready?

Originally posted by slipstrike0159
Well sure, thats the way things SHOULD be, but you have to remember that America has a LOT of idiots and people who think that just because they have the ability to think freely they should flaunt it and use it for every cent its worth.

YES

That is the thing I hate most about the steriotypical Americn

[ToshX]

Re: Is America ready?

I think that if Obama doesn't win, it's going to be really hard to come across another situation where someone who isn't white will have a chance to win. Not because I'm racist, but because America is racist.

I will be voting for him. And I'll be honest, it's just to prove a point.

[Lamoc]

Re: Is America ready?

I HATE when people do this. She says that she's female and wouldn't want to send people to war so therefore all people of that gender must be like that.
Anyway, on the racism/sexism issue, it might make it slightly harder to get elected but it couldn't be more than 1% so it won't make a difference unless it's really close.

I'm being honest, males intend to not have a problem with showing off thier power. Females will solve it through peace and treatys of some sort. If the time ever came it would be very hard for a female to declare war. A female president would be a great idea until it comes to the point of having to react to war.

Someone said something about hopefuly the iraq war would be over soon. Well all we can do is hope. I would love to see the end of the war, but theres still chance of another war. Will she be ready to give the final order?

[GuidoHunter]

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What's so virtuous about not having a white male in the presidency again? Why is that something to strive for? Shouldn't we be ignoring the fact that a candidate is black or a woman and voting based on political ideologies? As far as I'm concerned, voting for Obama just because he's black is no different than voting for some other guy just because he's not.

Anyway, the main reason that we haven't had a black or woman president yet is because the ratio of them to white males in positions that are considered for the presidency is incredibly small. Black people and women just don't run for offices as frequently as white men do. Nobody's being oppressed, here, so no "point" needs to be made by voting for a black guy.

@Lamoc: that's a crock of ****. Any woman who could be considered for the presidency has shown many times over her capacity for leadership and good decision making. You can't honestly expect somebody to believe that women are inherently more anti-war than men.

@luna: I meant on the grand scale. Sure, it's still prevalent to a degree in Harrison, Arkansas, and Montgomery, Alabama, but it's effectively confined to such areas. The rest of the country, on the whole, however, is insanely intolerant of racism (to a stupid degree, sometimes). When was the last time you saw a law enforced that was genuinely racist? Or a public official say something racist? It doesn't happen because of the uproar it would cause. Hell, things that AREN'T racist are jumped on because some idiot might stretch it to mean something racist that had nothing to do with the original intent. Carreers are ruined because of that type of thing. My point is that the percentage of voting Americans who would vote against a candidate just because of his or her race is negligibly small in most cases.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ToshX]

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Well, we should, but let's admit, it'd be really cool to have a non-white president for once. I know it's a really dumb way of doing things, but I really don't want to research every single fact about a person(there's a lot you can't even find out about, anywhere). It happens all of the time that people vote for someone and the person ends up doing something "bad", so you really have no idea who you're really voting for, no matter how much research you do.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Is America ready?

It happens all of the time that people vote for someone and the person ends up doing something "bad", so you really have no idea who you're really voting for, no matter how much research you do.

Fair enough, but...

Well, we should, but let's admit, it'd be really cool to have a non-white president for once.

I don't buy that at all. What'd be cool about it? He'd be just another president. Once the "OMG HE'S BLCAK" wore off, there'd be nothing interesting about it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sherbtail]

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If you're Canadian which I think you are...That PM SUCKED. She was taken out of office after what I think wasn't a year and she wouldn't do anything. She was called the iron lady because she was a thick-headed moron.

Also about the U.S. election...I support Oboma mainly cause of similar belif. Clinton isn't all that bad but I don't agree with her outlook. What pisses me off more is she is only this far in politics because she's the wife of an ex-presedant and the fact she's a woman might help her with the feminist vote (I hate feminist...there was a law passed in Toronto a few years back so woman can walk around topless...the only one's who do SHOULD NOT BE TOPLESS). I absolutly hate when people vote for stupid STUPID reasons such as a last name, gender, or skin colour which I can see some black people voting for Obama for that reason which pisses me off.

I was talking about Maggie Thatcher, UK. Oh and she went to war by the way so I guess Lamoc's argument was wrong.
I hate feminists too Fido, they're so sexist...

[virtuoussinner]

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We discussed this in debate today, and the majority of my class said that they would vote for Clinton or Obama. When asked why they stated, I agree with his/her general politics.
I was quite shocked at this because there are kids in my class who would be considered stereo typical minorities, It was actually the Caucasian members, and two African-American males who said that they would vote for only a white guy. I personally asked Ray, one of the African-American guys, why, and he said because he didn't believe that America was ready to vote for a "black" guy.

sub note. I stayed out of the argument because of lack of information on individual candidate beliefs. Oh, Ray was slapped by one of the other African-American kids.

"Well sure, thats the way things SHOULD be, but you have to remember that America has a LOT of idiots and people who think that just because they have the ability to think freely they should flaunt it and use it for every cent its worth. You know that we wouldn't need laws and we wouldnt need to worry about discrimination if everyone overall did the best they could to be kind respectable humble people (cept things like traffic laws and such of course =P) but you know thats never going to happen either." -slipstrike0159

*laughs* Wait. You can put respectable and human together and not be joking? Oh, that's right, nope. jk

EDIT: oops. humble respectable people...

[bobbycat73]

Re: Is America ready?

I personally don't care anymore what gender or race someone is, but what they bring to the table. Any white candidate can be horrible because of his political knowledge and decisions, but same goes for everyone else. Many uneducated and uninformed people will vote not on someone's ability, but on their gender. Their race. Their background. Even their name.

It's all not necessary. How about just a president who can do his job?

[slipstrike0159]

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I'm being honest, males intend to not have a problem with showing off thier power. Females will solve it through peace and treatys of some sort. If the time ever came it would be very hard for a female to declare war. A female president would be a great idea until it comes to the point of having to react to war.

Someone said something about hopefuly the iraq war would be over soon. Well all we can do is hope. I would love to see the end of the war, but theres still chance of another war. Will she be ready to give the final order?

Haha, you all stereotype and say men are more prone to go to war. Well i think it will not be so pleasant when a girl has an emotional breakdown and leaves the country stranded (oh no, did i just use a stereotype? maybe there was a reason why it was easy to use your own arguement against you). Also, wouldnt it be somewhat of a bad thing if when 9/11 happened we sat back and said, "oh well, maybe talking nicely to the terrorists to not do that again will prevent it from happening again". (Ok, obviously i went a little overboard with ignorance on the beginning of my post but you have to know that there are two sides on the coin).

Look, the point is that no matter how much you want it to be so, people are going to do things for the wrong reason all of the time with no practical justification. All you can do is do your part by voting who you think would be best suited for the job of running the country and hope that other people follow suit.

@virtuoussinner - Hmmm... its interesting how you took my clearly over exaggerated statement to be literal. Also, if you want to be overly technical, i never said the word "human" in that sentence.

[ToshX]

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Once the "OMG HE'S BLCAK" wore off, there'd be nothing interesting about it.

That's the thing, it wouldn't wear off. People would keep talking about it for quite some time, especially during Black History Month.

Guess what today is, the last day of Black History Month. Sure, he isn't exactly a Martin Luther King Jr., but if he became the president, it'd have a pretty big impact on many things besides just a few unimportant people(like us) saying "omg black".

I doubt this chance will come around again for a while. What'd be really impressive is if we had a female Mexican as a president, but we all know that isn't going to happen anytime soon with the biases around.

[purebloodtexan]

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That's the thing, it wouldn't wear off. People would keep talking about it for quite some time, especially during Black History Month.

Guess what today is, the last day of Black History Month. Sure, he isn't exactly a Martin Luther King Jr., but if he became the president, it'd have a pretty big impact on many things besides just a few unimportant people(like us) saying "omg black".

I doubt this chance will come around again for a while. What'd be really impressive is if we had a female Mexican as a president, but we all know that isn't going to happen anytime soon with the biases around.

That's the United States of America: People love us and people hate us. We're often given freedom, but then we abuse that freedom.

[slipstrike0159]

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That's the thing, it wouldn't wear off. People would keep talking about it for quite some time, especially during Black History Month.

Guess what today is, the last day of Black History Month. Sure, he isn't exactly a Martin Luther King Jr., but if he became the president, it'd have a pretty big impact on many things besides just a few unimportant people(like us) saying "omg black".

I doubt this chance will come around again for a while. What'd be really impressive is if we had a female Mexican as a president, but we all know that isn't going to happen anytime soon with the biases around.

Popular trends are always interesting to experience for the short amount of time that everyone agrees. Then its even more interesting to see the controversy that occurs when people realize the stupidity of the trend. This often happens when talking about most political things, at the time it seems like a breakthrough or the reasonable answer, but it always finds a way of blowing up when people wise up.

You could maybe answer your own question in a different way by asking yourself how many Mexicans there are that hold political office rather than just assume the only reason is because people are generally sore at mexicans because of the illegal immigration problem.

[virtuoussinner]

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Popular trends are always interesting to experience for the short amount of time that everyone agrees. Then its even more interesting to see the controversy that occurs when people realize the stupidity of the trend. This often happens when talking about most political things, at the time it seems like a breakthrough or the reasonable answer, but it always finds a way of blowing up when people wise up.

You could maybe answer your own question in a different way by asking yourself how many Mexicans there are that hold political office rather than just assume the only reason is because people are generally sore at mexicans because of the illegal immigration problem.

The illegal immigration thing is really quite pointless. It seems people always change their tune when things go badly or more information comes along.

@slipstrike0159, sorry. I saw an appropriate use of sarcasm and tried to express it properly. I was speed reading. damn

[ToshX]

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No, there are a LOT of people racist against Mexicans in the US. More so than any other group, I'd say. Even if there was only one white man and the rest was Mexicans, well, America would be racist. It's terrible, but it's how it is.