Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

As we've mentioned, you don't have to be straight to get married. We're talking about the redefinition of marriage, not any kind of discriminatory practice.

You have to be straight unless you like marrying someone of a gender you don't find attractive. Also, I would like to ask you where in the Constitution it says marriage is for a man and a woman only.

Also, if we're going to debate this, we should leave separation of church and state out of it. Many people are against gay marriage for religious reasons, but I'm pretty sure that it's agreed upon that that's a bad reason to enact legislation.

Yes, but there really is no other standing for those against gay marriage. You say it redifines marriage. I disagree that marriage was ever defined as a hetrosexual union legally. The only place where marriage is defined as a hetrosexual union is in THE BIBLE. Being the most prevelant RELIGIOUS document in Western culture.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

How about we don't pretend that it's equal, but do allow certain rights? Tax reductions, visiting rights in hospitals? I don't know if there is anyone who really thinks that is a bad idea. Legality to adopt children? Well... I can argue this one. In my exceedingly non-humble opinion, if your relationship on a biological level cannot EVER produce children even if all the bits and pieces there are fully functional, you shouldn't be raising kids. It's not as simple as "you can't make it, you can't raise it" because there's always extenuating circumstances for certain exceptions to a rule like that (such as a guy being sterile or a woman being barren). Man on man? Can NEVER produce a child, regardless of how healthy both are. Same with woman on woman.

Because, you know. Humankind is still a slave to the bilogical laws of reproduction. We haven't advanced society so far that the natural laws that confined us when we were running around the jungle still affect us.

Saying it's equal would be false, and probably one of the reasons that no middle ground has been reached. I'm in favor of a compromise.

BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS ALL ABOUT PRODUCING OFFSPRING. THERE IS NO LOVE OR CARING INVOLVED.

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

So, we'll just give them a seperate word. Seperate. But equal.

who's doing the seperating?

[Laharl]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS ALL ABOUT PRODUCING OFFSPRING. THERE IS NO LOVE OR CARING INVOLVED.

If it's all about defining a word, then yes. You're right. That is the basis of marriage and has been since times without record. It's a recognition of two people that combine in a union to provide a safe environment for their offspring.

Don't you even dare think that it's about love. The idea that people in love should marry to express the union of their hearts is a relatively new idea in the grand scheme of the world. In the same era Jane Austen lived in, women in England were expected to be sexually cold. I remember hearing there was a famous saying around those days where on the night of their marriage when they have sex with their husband that they should just "Close [their] eyes and think of England" because it was something out of duty.

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

You have to be straight unless you like marrying someone of a gender you don't find attractive. Also, I would like to ask you where in the Constitution it says marriage is for a man and a woman only.



Yes, but there really is no other standing for those against gay marriage. You say it redifines marriage. I disagree that marriage was ever defined as a hetrosexual union legally. The only place where marriage is defined as a hetrosexual union is in THE BIBLE. Being the most prevelant RELIGIOUS document in Western culture.

never in a culture before has there existed the concept of "gay marriage".

[Laharl]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

You have to be straight unless you like marrying someone of a gender you don't find attractive. Also, I would like to ask you where in the Constitution it says marriage is for a man and a woman only.

Point being? There's many famous gay men in history that were married.

As I said before, marriage has nothing to do with love or attraction. That concept is new.

I have more that I want to say, but it'll have to wait because I have to run to Deutchklasse.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

As I said before, marriage has nothing to do with love or attraction. That concept is new.

So you're going to marry someone you don't find attractive? In ancient times, marriage was a way to encourage a bloodline, but nowdays, that is completely obsolete.

You marry someone because you love them, not so you're offspring will be genetically pure.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

never in a culture before has there existed the concept of "gay marriage".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

[Afrobean]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

On the topic of gay couples adopting:

What of parents who have legitimage children, get divorced, then decide they're gay and begin living with another person of the same gender? Should they have their rights as a parent taken away?

How is that any different than a gay couple adopting?

[Laharl]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Last I checked, parents that get involved in homosexual relations do have harder time winning anything that has to do with custody.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but it is how things are.

[Shashakiro]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

In my exceedingly non-humble opinion, if your relationship on a biological level cannot EVER produce children even if all the bits and pieces there are fully functional, you shouldn't be raising kids. It's not as simple as "you can't make it, you can't raise it" because there's always extenuating circumstances for certain exceptions to a rule like that (such as a guy being sterile or a woman being barren). Man on man? Can NEVER produce a child, regardless of how healthy both are. Same with woman on woman.

Saying it's equal would be false, and probably one of the reasons that no middle ground has been reached. I'm in favor of a compromise.

So I guess you're in favor of forcing single parents to give up their children? Single parents are in no relationship whatsoever, much less one that can produce any offspring.

Also, how exactly are the exceptions you pointed out logical? A sterile couple is just as incapable of reproducing as two men. I fail to see how it's relevant that they could reproduce if they weren't sterile--with that same line of reasoning, I could say that a couple of two men could produce offspring if one of them was a woman.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

FoJaR, are you ever going to produce an argument of your own rather than nibble at those of others?

If not, then take a crack at my post. I'm curious to see what you have to say.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Now, think about something. Most of the people on this forum are for gay marriage.

Most of the young people I have met are for gay marriage. So, with all these gay marriage bans passing, I was wondering something. Is the older, more socially regressive generation ruining things for the younger more progessive generation?

[Laharl]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

illogical leap in argument just for the sake of argument

gg Shash.

My patience is worn out, I'm afraid. I'm going to step out of this conversation.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

gg Shash.

My patience is worn out, I'm afraid. I'm going to step out of this conversation.

Lol, you fail Laharl.

"OH I GIVE UP BECAUSE U MAKE NO SENSE LOLOLOL"

No, it's because your argument is retarded, I and Shash have proven it and all you have done is back out and call it illogical.