Psychokinesis and Psychoinspired Events

[Redorigami]

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ok you guys dont have to believe if you dont want to but if your gonna descuss things like this without being informed, be my guest. but if you would like to learn more, check this out, www.psipog.net

[GuidoHunter]

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ok you guys dont have to believe if you dont want to but if your gonna descuss things like this without being informed, be my guest. but if you would like to learn more, check this out, www.psipog.net

Who says we're not informed? I've studied paranormal activities in college, and it's all bull****, complete crocks.

What you don't seem to understand is what is needed to seriously consider something as proven.

First of all, with most paranormal activities, the principle of conservatism pretty much wipes most of them out before they even get started. If these things really did exist, they would disprove most all of the laws of science, and I'm sorry, but there's thousands of years of proof for those laws and none for the paranormal.

But let's just play along for a second and start testing some of these ideas. Two things must hold true for it not to be dismissed:

1. Someone who claims to have these powers should be able to reasonably demonstrate them (that is, have a success rate that is significantly greater than that of random guessing)
2. Someone who claims to NOT have the powers should not perform better than random guessing at all.

Guess what. Upon every scientific test of anyone who claims to have some sort of power, not a single one in the history of testing, even with exorbitant monetary rewards awaiting them upon success, proved that they were better than randomness.

Also, for every paranormal act you can think of, there's plenty of powerless people who can fake it just as well.

Believe what you want, Red, but I won't feel sorry for you when people begin to realize how easy it is to sucker you.

And I'll counter with a website of my own. http://www.csicop.org/ The only differences between mine and yours is that yours claims all these fantastic powers, but mine actually backs up what they say. Whom are you more willing to trust?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[windsurfer-sp]

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I agree with Guido, no one has Telekinesis powers that has been proven. Surely if someone had theese powers they would be able to prove it in someway and claim the reward.

I know that astrology is besides the point but you actually belive that aswell? Unless you can beat Guido's challenge to prove your claims then Telekinesis is impossible

[GuidoHunter]

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You can believe in astrology all you want, but there's absolutely zero reasons to believe that it works.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Iam_a_Maid]

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It's not that its impossible, we just haven't proved that it is. So saying either is incorrect. Humans may be capable of such things but lack the knowledge how to train their minds to be able to do something like that or we may incapable of it because our brains do not have the capacity or a function. Evolution may throw surprises in the distant or short term future for all we know. I consider evolution, both artificial and natural.

[User6773]

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It's not that its impossible, we just haven't proved that it is. So saying either is incorrect.

Saying that it's impossible is more correct than saying that it's possible, since the burden of proof for new sceintific phenomena rests on those who claim of its existance.

By the way, there is no such thing as "artificial evolution." Evolution is by its very definition a natural process.

[GuidoHunter]

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It's not that its impossible, we just haven't proved that it is. So saying either is incorrect. Humans may be capable of such things but lack the knowledge how to train their minds to be able to do something like that or we may incapable of it because our brains do not have the capacity or a function. Evolution may throw surprises in the distant or short term future for all we know. I consider evolution, both artificial and natural.

You're right; nobody can prove it impossible. However, besides the fact that conservatism basically rules out all possibility, every single shred of evidence we have ever gathered points to impossibility. This is as close to proven as we can possibly get.

Believing in psychokinesis is tantamount to believing that the Holocaust never occurred. Sure, we can't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, but you'd have to be an intellectually vapid moron to cast out all reason and believe in these things.

Go try to build a perpetual motion machine or something.

And quit watching X-men if you seriously think that evolution will allow us to break the physical laws of the universe, especially when the physical laws of the universe are the very things that cause evolution to happen.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Iam_a_Maid]

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By the way, there is no such thing as "artificial evolution." Evolution is by its very definition a natural process.

I am well aware of that. Call it something else, the fact doesn't change that it achieves similar thing. Cloning, playing with DNA, genes comes to mind and the fact that field is growing exponentially. I wouldn't be surprised to see something in 50 years, we would only see in Sci-fi books during our time.

You're right; nobody can prove it impossible. However, besides the fact that conservatism basically rules out all possibility, every single shred of evidence we have ever gathered points to impossibility. This is as close to proven as we can possibly get.

Believing in psychokinesis is tantamount to believing that the Holocaust never occurred. Sure, we can't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, but you'd have to be an intellectually vapid moron to cast out all reason and believe in these things.

Go try to build a perpetual motion machine or something.

And quit watching X-men if you seriously think that evolution will allow us to break the physical laws of the universe, especially when the physical laws of the universe are the very things that cause evolution to happen.

--Guido

I am open to all possibilities and no, I don't watch X-men. So don't you worry about that. Being narrow-minded helps less as opposed to the opposite.

You say impossible, even cite known laws of physics(which is the tip of the iceberg) you discount the sea of unknowns. I say I am open to the possibility that it is possible. Which way of thinking will help more with progress?

[Patashu]

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What do you think evolution has to do with psychokinesis?

[Samineru]

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So you are saying that just because we havent proven it impossible (though many say we have) we should assume it is? So you're saying O should assume that aliens live in the center of the earth, and if I really wanted to I could suddenly turn myself into a chair, just because we have not proven that we can't?

[Iam_a_Maid]

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So you are saying that just because we havent proven it impossible (though many say we have) we should assume it is? So you're saying O should assume that aliens live in the center of the earth, and if I really wanted to I could suddenly turn myself into a chair, just because we have not proven that we can't?

I am just saying, even though it is unlikely we shouldn't close our minds completely. I thought I made it clear in my posts, or are you just reading whatever meaning is convenient for you that wins an argument? I find this human trait quite hilarious and limiting.

[GuidoHunter]

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I am open to all possibilities and no, I don't watch X-men. So don't you worry about that. Being narrow-minded helps less as opposed to the opposite.

Wrong. There is a time for being open to possibilities, but this is not one of them. To believe is intellectual dishonesty, and considering the possibility is just as bad. Once there is a shred of evidence for it, THEN you can open your mind, but open-mindedness with respect to pseudoscience has not one iota of virtue and is worthy of nothing more than contempt.

To believe that fundamental particles are made up of elves is stupid, no? Do I have to consider the possibility? Not at all. If the world turns around and shocks us and there arises evidence of elf-like particles, then you can be open to possibilities, but until then, you're just a moron. There is nothing different from that belief and believing in psychokinesis. Just because someone says it's possible means absolutely nothing. Once again, bolded for emphasis: Absolutely Nothing.

You say impossible, even cite known laws of physics(which is the tip of the iceberg) you discount the sea of unknowns. I say I am open to the possibility that it is possible. Which way of thinking will help more with progress?

I will cite thousands of years of human history to show you that my line of thinking leads to progress while yours leads to nothing but waste. For one example out of many, long ago, it was thought that everything had properties of the four elements: fire, earth, wind, and water. Years of science and study were rendered worthless only when skepticism entered and set scientists straight.

Millions of dollars are wasted on clever thieves and con artists like Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne, and John Edward. Nothing good can come of open-mindedness to their claims, so don't even try to say that it applies here. Take your pseudo-altruisms and moral righteousness somewhere else, because it has no room in this discussion.

EDIT: If you can't tell, topics about pseudoscience are one of my 'buttons'.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Grandiagod]

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Can someone find this for me? I swore I read something like this somewhere but I can't find it.

A scientist did an experiment that showed when people walk into rooms made of granite objects can start moving on their own.

I'm not claiming this as proof of anything since I can't find it. But I'd throw that out.

[Patashu]

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Can someone find this for me? I swore I read something like this somewhere but I can't find it.

A scientist did an experiment that showed when people walk into rooms made of granite objects can start moving on their own.

I'm not claiming this as proof of anything since I can't find it. But I'd throw that out.

Perhaps it's the granite the room's made out of?

[windsurfer-sp]

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EDIT: If you can't tell, topics about pseudoscience are one of my 'buttons'.

--Guido

Thats one hell of a button.

I_am_maid do you think that humans will evolve in the future? As far as I know humans havent evolded in the past. 2-3000 years ago our brains and mental capicities were the same as they are today as they will be 2-3000 years into the future. Technology has changed by we havent and wont.