TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[Charu]

Re: TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

It's not exactly bullshit just because I wanted to put some pressure on freezinice with a vote. It's pretty wild that you would make a case out of my low activity and call me out on playing just because my efforts haven't been "enough" to your liking? Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Shado's post makes me feel more confident about thesunfan being town and freezin still being sketch but not oozing a real wolf vibe. Idk how to feel about you shado, I could see you trying to point me out as just part of your contribution, but it's still pretty hard focused to hate on me...idk if it's a tactic to squeeze information out of me or if you really find what I'm doing to be absurd/suspicious.

Also same goes for Charu...first to post this game and has been giving little dialect like "alright, dude" to posts like that. Can't help but feel a sense of being singled out and toyed by some mafia somewhere in the mix.

Bro, you came back in the thread, said you don't like freezin because he feels like "shady dude in the corner" and then went away with a vote without so much as showing or telling why.

Inactive or not, but you suddenly popping up in the middle of that makes it all the more curious. So excuse me if I think your post and vote right there are extremely jarring and sudden.

[thesunfan]

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Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Maybe, but I do think everyone would appreciate you posting more.

[FreezinIce]

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I must've missed this post
the crux of your argument was NEVER
I repeat
NEVER
my post regarding Haku potentially being the best lynch
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That was @shado about charu, not you

[thesunfan]

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I am going to play some Civ 5
I will reread the thread when I'm done and I'll have opinions on everyone when I finish that

would love everyone to comment on #904 if you haven't already

[ShadoWolfe]

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it was actually legit tilting to see shado say "ya I see ur points but I disagree with (minor semantic point here)"

would love to hear your opinions now that the shit has died down

...and where do I say that?

I didn't want to get involved because the more you post rn the better. I think you're going off a little too hard on Freezin tbh. I had him as top scum in my notes last night but he's had at least one post today that's made me reconsider.
Also his post saying you being in the background reminds him of recent wolfgames isn't as 0/10 as you think. I can see where he's coming from. Even when tunneling me, you didn't really push on me, you kind of called out stuff here and there and let other peeps do the dirty work for you. I don't agree with his conclusion on you, but I think you should consider building a backup wagon as well.

How is acknowledging that Freezin had a point (at the time) about saying you being in the background is reminiscent of last game IN ANY WAY semantics?
I didn't feel much pressure from you last game. You keep saying you were tunneling me, but really that just means that you didn't move your vote. You didn't do much to maintain it though, comfortable in the knowledge that I'd get lynched. You might've placed the first vote, but I remember even saying early in D1 (first phase where I got pressure) that it felt like you were in the background cheering on AA to a mislynch.

If your push on Freezin had taken place after the Haku debacle, I would've wholeheartedly supported you (I had him as solid scum then)
As it is now, I think you guys are T/T. I don't know why you have 4 votes on you, and its weird that two of them are Haku/Tokzic. I'd suggest you step back and re-read Freezin's posts while imagining he's talking about someone else. Don't even look at the content 'cause you'll be biased, just read his posts and tell me he doesn't earnestly believe what he's writing.

I think I'm just gonna post my notes so y'all can see my initial reads. Obviously my notes will not be alignment indicative because I wrote them before joining game, but maybe it'll at least show you guys where I'm coming from.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Reactions on Haku Clusterfuck D0

choof town ("let me level with you like I did with Zenith many a time")

Gradiant town (shitposting w/ Charu to avoid drama, calls out sunfan, and calls out inD "whether the group cares about it shouldn't make him not look at the avenue right now")

sunfan likely town (questioning YoshL on Charuread, secondguessing himself, and having fun... later: "unusual first read" to mellon, mindmeld with what I wrote)

YoshL slight townlean (shows initiative on Haku, sticks with it despite potential consequences, refuses to move, changes read on charu twice "I mean, I initially had him as like, kinda town for the seriousness..." not sure if joking when he said aragakiayase probably scum)(later: "i think, i don't really need to say anything other than it wasn't a slip"..."I was only commenting on the player count, and even fucked that up." ... "if you believe it's a slip still, then cool...." ... "haku's original implication ... taken at face value ... seems like a valid assumption to make, but honestly isn't that valid")

Freezin likely scum (quotes posts with reactions like "jesus christ" "can you not" and votes haku without knowing votecount, seemingly at L-1. If haku ever flips wolf, Freezin is wolf on the wagon fsr... later reasoning for the vote: "i knew it wasnt insta?" "although haku getting asploded would have been funny")
Freezin (like him slightly better in "bruh if i cared about getting on towns bad side i wouldnt have done all that blatantly chaotic stuff" ... "but whatever floats your boat" ... "oh ok so you didnt read my posts gotcha", because his self referencing in those posts is in blatant contrast with his last game as Jade Harley)(also "heads up if eod comes and sunfan still hasn't clarified his vote on me atm im going to vote him no questions asked" which he later backed up by quoting sunfans vote and calling him out again)(why are freezin and inD both focusing on sunfan all of a sudden?)
Freezin maybe town "oh, I get it" ... to gradiant: "dude im shaking my head at you ... your the one whose a fucking cheesecake you completely misunderstood that post and went on a retarded tirade about it" ... "and now your vomiting words in my lap like this is somehow my fault" ... "thats my argument you fruitcake" Starting to see Freezin/Gradiant as T/T

inD null-slightwolflean (called out by Gradiant and responded with "I'm actually just lazy and don't want to do it tonight but I do think there's something to be gained from it". Also weird comment to freezin "how's that chaos going for you" when freezin omgused choof's vote. also "sunfan/yoshl, you two seem to be getting different things out of charu's posts. sunfan, can you develop why "those posts" make him null?") inD also defending YoshL "but the way his posts were phrased"... "doesn't need to make him out to be a wolf"
inD looks better for ("freezin has kind of a thing about "appeasement" as town...", "reminder to ask sunfan tomorrow whether he means this") (also, why are freezin and inD both focusing on sunfan all of a sudden?)
inD looks worse again for refocusing on Freezin when Gradiant kept pushing Freezin. also "has he ever seen you wolf" to YoshL gives the impression that he thinks yosh is always town

mellon odd for defending Freezin off the bat and not saying much else other than "you guys are going hard early"

Haku probably town for "Is the bold a slip? it's like you knew my alignment already at this point" to YoshL about 11p nightstart

Charu to Haku: "then don't be bait, unless you love playing like bait" ?



Stopped at "ok if you cant deal with cognitive dissonance maybe your playing the wrong game"


^^^raw unedited so sorry for the format
In reading up the day after writing that (but still before replacing), Charu seemed off but that's still a diagnosis in progress, and I'd reset Haku back to null for fading out of thread and not posting as much since that shit went down

[FreezinIce]

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"learn not to tunnel"
...
I won last game because I tunneled so if you think I'm a wolf then idk what you're saying

I don't know where to begin if you think I'm town

Are you admitting your a wolf here?

Your said you're going to tunnel me, and you said that's how you won your last game...as a wolf.

Hmmmmm

[FreezinIce]

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Are you admitting your a wolf here?

Your said you're going to tunnel me, and you said that's how you won your last game...as a wolf.

Hmmmmm

This feels like something haku would say lol

[FreezinIce]

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I don't think I'm going to back off of you

Addendum to last post

Stated intent of tunneling when combined with his lack of reads.

[ShadoWolfe]

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It's not exactly bullshit just because I wanted to put some pressure on freezinice with a vote. It's pretty wild that you would make a case out of my low activity and call me out on playing just because my efforts haven't been "enough" to your liking? Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Not more town, just more readable. I'm not making a case of your low activity, I'm making a case about your first game-related post being a vote on the top wagon of the day for iffy "gut" reasons. Can you see how an inactive wolf would want to do the same exact thing to make it look like they contributed at least SOMETHING to the thread, regardless of Freezin's alignment? This post (that I'm replying to right now) doesn't reassure me about you, either, because it's your second game related post and only serves to defend yourself without developing your thoughts more. Can you try to solve the game? If not, can you at least post some more detailed thoughts about the game? Please?

Shado's post makes me feel more confident about thesunfan being town and freezin still being sketch but not oozing a real wolf vibe.

Why? Can you elaborate on this a little more?

Idk how to feel about you shado, I could see you trying to point me out as just part of your contribution, but it's still pretty hard focused to hate on me...idk if it's a tactic to squeeze information out of me or if you really find what I'm doing to be absurd/suspicious.

It's both. I want you to post more, and I find your vote on Freezin to be inherently scummy in consideration of his status as "most widely scumread" and your status as "hasn't posted anything until this vote".

Also same goes for Charu...first to post this game and has been giving little dialect like "alright, dude" to posts like that. Can't help but feel a sense of being singled out and toyed by some mafia somewhere in the mix.

Lol. If this is how you feel, would you mind elaborating? Even if only just to fixate on me and Charu, please do try to dig and scumhunt a bit. Why do you feel like you're being toyed with by the mafia?

because, right now, I think you're a lot more like "the shady guy in the corner" with 4 posts and a weird vote than the guy who has the most posts in thread and is actively working to defend himself

[Lightknight924]

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The entire first post by shado on this page is simply chaotic to me to try and piece together. It's hard to conceive what he's feeling personally, and it gives me the vibe that it could just be made as a facade just to push out opinions about people, so he can seem like an explanative player. The lack of sensible content in that long post is what's jarring.

I don't know, it's my nature to sit back and observe lol...wolf or not. It's interesting to me how you have put serious effort into reversing the scenario of what I said about the "shady guy" back onto me. I give you kudos for your ability to flip around interrogation.

[Lightknight924]

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I'm not feeling like shado is wolfy atm however. I would like to hear more from Litodude for posting short responses yet picking at everyone, for example:

So are you gonna make a stance on someone concretely or are you going to be continue being annoying and confusing everyone with your arguments against yourself you fucking schizophrenic?

Instances like this, as well as calling me out before for not posting and attributing it to wolfy behavior last games. Seems like a sly guy who hasn't received enough attention.

[Litodude]

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Votes from post 5 to post 988
Night in 11:04:17
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- thesunfan -- Tokzic (7), Litodude (31), FreezinIce (252), Hakulyte (63)
• 3 -- FreezinIce -- Gradiant (109), thesunfan (149), Lightknight924 (3)
• 1 -- roundbox -- inDheart (36)
• 1 -- Lightknight924 -- Charu (162)
• 1 -- Litodude -- choof (59)
• 1 -- inDheart -- YoshL (65)
• 2 -- not voting -- mellonxcollie (5), roundbox (19)

As votes stand right now I don't believe the majority of these votes are serious, but again, I will take it at face value based on the activity on the thread:

suns:
my vote on suns is legitimate and is drawn from my own conclusions from my own logical deductions. call it tunneling but i believe this most strongly, and stand by my assessment thatyoshl/charu/choof + UTR are remaining wolves as previously stated.

freezin's vote on suns is permanent believe, but his reasonings differ from mine and i cannot adequately back him up for his line of thinking because i have strong reason to believe he's mentally handicapped.

haku's still in the process of vote switching, so i don't believe this is legitimately going to stand, and will continue to evolve in the later stages. i also think this guy is paranoid in voting, and can easily be manipulated by a paragraph of shit posts, akin to mid-west republican americans with russia-led propaganda.

tokzic's vote on suns was definitely a joke. but as i said in my previous post (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=756) i won't discount it and will consider it a legitimate vote the closer it gets to eod and is sketch still


freezin:
gradient's vote was out of contempt and also from 'scum reading' early on. while i was concerned with feigning anger, i believe gradient was legitimately pissed from freezin's idiotic play. shadow replaced him, so i'm back at square 1.

suns: legitimate(?) retaliation vote on freezin as seen by the last 2 pages (i run 80 ppp).

lightknight: also a legitimate vote, albeit hasty, and is drawn from 'scum reading', but i am unsure to just give this a pass at this stage.


roundbox:

inD: i think mentioned a couple hundred pages ago he was just waiting for rbx to post his thoughts as an anti-utr vote, also another vote that's for feels


lightknight:

charu: sorry i forgot the reasoning (something about me ignoring posts) but i can also assume this is a safety vote for lightknight inactivity?


litodude:

choof: didn't like my blue-hunting explanation of freezin, but also partially believe this is still a temp vote.


indheart:

yoshl: i think this was a partially legitimate vote, but i can't exactly remember, and i'm not going back to read. i don't know how to feel about this vote outside of my statmenet


raeko:

do something


roundbox:

finish your shit

here's the rest of my 'reads' previously, in case anyone missed it

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4530972&postcount=756

[FreezinIce]

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Yo Lito having fun calling me retarded?

[FreezinIce]

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How about actual thoughts on the current situation between me and sunfan and taking a stance that isn't calling me an idiot and ignoring everything outside of your narrow purview