TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

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I consider my own entrance puzzle tier with the "news" thing and I even went as far at making one where I literally call out "Charu is Vanilla Town" in a picture.

That's weird. You guys are crazy for town reading me here.

I called you out on that newspaper D0 btw, don't know if you remember

[Hakulyte]

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Yeah, I remember. It's actually one of the parts where you feel the most towny to me in terms of reading genuine.

[Hakulyte]

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It's also why I just posted #2905.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Other things: This should still be up for debate:

@Charu calling out Jade. #456

Yeah, that entrance was forced as fuck
I think we all just eventually attributed it to Jade roleplaying though.
Jade's posts have since felt less forced, and it's really hard to tell if thats cause Freezin got used to the character as town or if that entrance was really caused by a wolf forcing the character

[Hakulyte]

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Note that roundbox/AA as a team doesn't makes much sense either because of #536

[Hakulyte]

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What I'm getting at is that Jade feels like the safest kill even if I want to solve AA/Shado asap.

[Hakulyte]

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Wolves can't kill both AA or Shado because they're a serious topic of evaluation. It would simplify the game too much.

So, it's like a protection in a way.

[Hakulyte]

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The only world where it's a bad idea is the one where AA/Shado is together.

I'm pretty sure the majority agrees that AA and Shado being together is super unlikely.

[Hakulyte]

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Conclusion: Try to get Wolf #2 or Wolf #3 lynched here if Wolf #1 is indeed in AA/Shado.

It's going to open up the game a lot more.

[Wineandbread]

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All right you guys posted a metric ton of words. I honestly cannot be bothered to fine comb through each post, so these are just impressions from a cursory read. Not a SAT reading comprehension level focus, but not a speedreading skim either.
I probably missed a lot of details though, but I'm going to operate in the present after this post. Cause fuck you guys for typing a novel's worth blargh.

DAY 0
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I scanned the lynched towns before I started reading. As such I did not focus as much on their posts.

Early game: lot of random vidya game chat. I didn’t derive much, skimmed most of it.
For what it's worth, my favorite FE is PoR, following by FE7. And I liked RD, just not as much as the other two. The double class changes were kinda cool (three range Marksmen LUL)
Started paying more attention when AA came back to initiate some game-related convo.

AA: Seemed normal. Aggressive with deep lines of questioning, consistently trying to move the game forward. The wish-washyness of his EoD votes felt out of character to me but that's about it.

TWG Jade Harley: Seems like many people were not happy with the entrance he made. I didn't really think anything was too wrong about it, maybe the green was just tied to jade harley (verified in #651) but otherwise it was just lightly touching base, making the people aware that he exists in the game and introducing a gimmick. The "green subconscious" by mellon was pretty interesting but I don't really buy it. Aside from that most of the suspicions of him felt misdirected, so I didn't feel strongly about him even through EoD.

Haku: Overall I feel I'm not reading Haku well, as in I'm not sure how to interpret his posts. They don't seem that suspicious though. I buy mostly what other people have to say about him, as bad as that sounds. I will scrutinize harder over the weekend.

MML… eh. Null/very slight town lean. I feel the majority of his posts are in line with his 'meta' which I don't really emphasize much ever. Genuine-feeling misunderstandings? I might as well be saying nothing here but I'm not planning to lean into him that hard for the time being, maybe in d1.

Xel seems to be doing nothing on d0 other than reacting to posts regarding himself. It's a clear lack of initiative to push the game forward so I think he's a bit scummy at this point. Possibility he is too dumbfounded by reacting to posts to do anything else, but its suspicious play in my eyes nonetheless. I wasn’t' very impressed with EoD either.

Shado felt really bad in his early d0 interactions with mellon and his insistence on making her move. Despite what I read later on which felt pretty towny, something in my can't shake the red off his name.

Sunfan is usually one of my first town reads but I feel he hasn't been as prevalent for that in this game. To add to that I feel there was quite some inconsistencies and stuff in his posts that he had to address prior to EoD. His EoD d0 was really good though. I am a bit wary of him but not enough to warrant a scum read/lean/push/pull/wax on/wax off.

I have nothing particularly new to add about witch. Mostly what stood out to me is the vapid nature of his posts, as in they do not really seem to provide any points worth discussing or new insight, and he often I felt he didn't explain what he posted until being asked to explain. The reason why I don't have him scum fully is because I feel he may have just been dragged on the collar and being new (maybe?). His play is not very inspiring of town regardless especially at eod.

Proph looked pretty good in my book (#1010 and some stuff onwards comes to mind). People ragged on him for his sunfan vote near EoD, especially after his reversal post. I have to wonder sometimes the way people post and what they choose to share and not share because as AA said, there's a lot that can be manipulated on a forum TWG. So what prompts proph to make such a post as a wolf? I'm tinfoiling away here but I think unless they wolfchatted otherwise, it would be easier for him to leave the vote on sunfan and feign inactivity due to his assignment. He posts later to clear his name and they felt pretty good again. The self lynch threatening is pretty meh but overall I still feel good about him.

At the end of d0,

Town: Proph, AA

Null+: Haku, Jade, MML,

Null-: Witch, sunfan?

Scum: Shado, Xel

Concerning groupings, I'm not sure if Shado and Xel are same faction but I am convinced at least one of them is. I am also of the opinion that we have a leader-ish wolf this game, gut hunch. Leaning towards sunfan, with an offchance of AA.

Sunfan/witch/xel or sunfan/witch/shado would not surprise me.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I don't vote for dbp ever in that d0. I very likely would vote Xel or Witch, probably Witch given how the votes ended up.

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To be continued in day1 reading after I eat dinner, and then I'll try to partake in the EoD traffic.

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[XelNya]

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I still don't get why XelNya would post what we all want to see here, but do nothing like that before that point.

If this is the post AA is saying "oh haku has a point" then lol

You wanna know why? I literally lack an attention span. I took at least ten breaks in making that post and

xel ISOs feel like they progressively got lazier, which is understandable, but makes me remember to A&A

however his ISO on me seems like he's paying attention to stuff, so idrk

haku makes a good point

of course it got lazy because it started getting boring

I'm cool with almost everything you said here surprisingly.

The only part I'm slightly confused about is the Witch town lean with the quotes you've picked up.

Reread witch yourself

I wish Xel would've expanded on a few more things, like his thoughts on witch
a tl;dr tier list would've been nice just to I can go back and reference it later but

it does feel like he didn't make himself post it, but actually wanted to post it (I also believe he felt bad for not having posted it a little bit before actually doing so)

I don't think we're on the same page

I think he's town enough for me based on that list, reminds me of what I saw in him that I thought was townie yesterday

But wait there is sort of a tiered structure to the list if you rearranged it?

I think that when shado flips wolf (yes I said when), Xel looks a bit better for it because of shado pointing out a potential contradiction and calling him frozen last EOD
Both feel like things that partners probably wouldn't call each other out on

No offense but in freeze wars you literally grilled me for any single thing you could, this notion is false that a partner wouldn't just skewer their partners

Not that I think it's a bad thing.

it's happened before

I'll go over more after I get ready / chill a bit / find the hundred dollars I've placed somewhere I need to find

[Witch of Certainty]

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witch, its fine (well not "fine" but you'll know what I mean) that you appear to be townreading Shado

what I think everyone in the game needs from you are reasons why you're townreading him, as well as who we should kill instead

"someone else" is not helping people understand where you're at in the game. If you don't like the way that town is headed, its your job to try and direct the flow towards where you want it to go

1. I'm town reading him because the major case against him as far as I understand, that he was tunneling Mellon and not really doing anything else, is overblown and flat out wrong, respectively, and he has good content and a good visible mindset in his posts.
As for who instead, I'd pick Jade, or wine since his not being here yet doesn't change that roundbox never delivered what he promised.

2. I'd hope you know "where my head is at" after I posted that list I think we should lynch from.
And I'm not trying to direct the flow? I've outright stated that town should only lynch from a group of five and asked that people drop their suspicions of someone I think is town with specific reasoning. Let me state that reasoning again for good measure: Even if you really think Shado is a wolf, leave him for now. If this was Xel, okay. If it was Proph, okay. But Shado's post rate, forcefulness, and presence will push wolves to kill him if he's town.
But then you could point out that they specifically won't kill him now? Doesn't matter. We'll lynch other wolves from my list, I'm sure of it. Then we can lynch Shado if you must, once we have more than enough room for error. And yes, my reads are fallible, I could be wrong about Shado just as much as anyone in my "do not lynch" group. But I believe in my reads just as much as you do in yours. And that list is not saying those people are lock town for the rest of the game. It's saying that they're bad lynches at this point.
I haven't worried about not finding wolves because instead I worked on finding people who I didn't want lynched. People I thought were town, who i thought were clearly not wolves, or people whose level of activity and thought made them self-resolving.
I've been taking people out of my lynch pool and called for town to not lynch them as well. I've been pushing what I think regardless of how it would go over, or do you think I post half of what I have? So how the hell do you say I haven't tried to direct things? Because I haven't been taking blind leaps and pushing thoughts and suspicions I don't have and/or believe? Because I have therefore mainly pushed against things I think are wrong/bad decisions? I think this is beneath you.
Does this help you finally understand my position?

[Hakulyte]

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Liked +1.

[Wineandbread]

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Ah fuck I didn't see that wolves have assigned kills

Disregard my kill theories

[Hakulyte]

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Ah fuck I didn't see that wolves have assigned kills

Disregard my kill theories

How does that changes anything?