World of Warcraft

[Squeek]

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Yeah we've decided to cease wishful thinking about that drake.

One of the requirements is One Light in the Darkness. You know, Yogg with only one watcher.

Yeah that sounds like a blast. Even the best guilds in the game have yet to do 0-watcher Yogg. Though that's a huge step up, it goes to show how hard Yogg is with fewer than 4 watchers up.

As for us, we were 0.75 seconds too slow to get the Disarmed achievement tonight and 1.5 seconds too slow for A Quick Shave. Really depressing. To make matters worse, the DPS was severely lacking for some reason and we couldn't down XT in hard mode again.

I don't understand how hunters have 2.xk DPS and the lone caster (shaman) has 3.8k. What's going on here? Two of these hunters got ilv232 weapons from Uld25 too. They're in BiS Naxx25 gear and have several uld upgrades already. Shouldn't they be at 5k dps?

[tsugomaru]

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I'm not quite sure why that is either. It could have something to do with the fight and how they have to switch between the boss and sparks.

~Tsugomaru

[Grandiagod]

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any dps doing less than 3k in naxx 25+ gear is absolutely terrible. In 10 man raids considering you have most buffs available you should be doing at least 4k unless you're gimped by fight mechanics

[Squeek]

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I do 4.2 on training dummies (only tested twice and it was to test new addons so it could be higher) but having to stop and run away or stop to kill sparks does lower my dps by about 500.

But it's ridiculous that we have three hunters who need absolutely no upgrades from Naxx who fail to pull 3k on XT. Do they lose that much damage from needing to move once in a while? I was pretty sure Shaman were the class that lost the most from needing to move in combat.

I don't want to be like 'you're not pulling your weight get out' but when we have 4k dps guys sitting out because 'they don't need anything from the boss', I get a little upset =/

Maybe it's the fight itself. He pulls 5.5k on Patchwerk after all.

Main reason I was upset tonight was that so many people were like 'gotta brb for 30 minutes' in the middle of the raid. At least 5 people did this. It's really annoying. I'm amazed we even got 7 bosses down tonight.

[Tokzic]

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I don't want to be like 'you're not pulling your weight get out' but when we have 4k dps guys sitting out because 'they don't need anything from the boss', I get a little upset =/

Main reason I was upset tonight was that so many people were like 'gotta brb for 30 minutes' in the middle of the raid. At least 5 people did this. It's really annoying. I'm amazed we even got 7 bosses down tonight.

these are both things that only giant tools do

especially "lol i don't need anything from that boss" what the hell

if they had any intelligence at all, they'd realize that

a) helping gets the boss down faster and gets them to the boss they need to do faster

b) on bosses you do need, you want everyone joining you

[ImEric12]

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Wow, yeah. Find a new group to raid with if people are really pulling that ****, you could be in a much better guild.

Also, I pull well over 3k dps when I'm balance, and that gear was hastily thrown together.

[Tokzic]

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Got my four set bonus after the 25 tonight. Tested it in the 10 on Ignis:

#1 DPS: Me (5299)
#2 DPS: Shaman (4263)

And supposedly I get another 100 passive DPS when I change my talents a bit. Asdf.

[Izzy]

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I wish I could play on a server where its pre wotlk.

[Squeek]

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That's another thing I constantly hear people say and it's another thing that makes no sense to me.

You can still do those old dungeons. It's not like they're gone (well, with the exception of naxx40). OH NO IT'LL BE SLIGHTLY EASIER. I WON'T BE ABLE TO SMASH MY FACE INTO A WALL ENDLESSLY. WHAT WILL I DO WITH MY SUPER-INFLATED EGO NOW.

Blizzard has repeatedly said they have no intention of making vanilla / bc servers. They look toward the future and learn from the past.

All I can say is that I'm really, really glad I started playing post-BC, because Elemental Shaman were absolutely worthless during BC.

"Hey guys, what's my rotation again?"
"Use Lightning Bolt non-stop."
"Seriously? I don't need to do anything else?"
"Well, you have to drop totems..."

Sounds like a blast!

Not like I'd be raiding anyway since BC raids were too ****ing hard.

[Kagome]

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I like the raids being "hard" personally. It made having raiding gear an actual accomplishment instead of "oh hey you took the time to go in and hit stuff."

Oh well at least there's hard modes.

[Tokzic]

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Though it looks like they might be bringing back the "raiding gear that's an actual accomplishment" thing again:

A more intuitive structure for harder encounters. This raid dungeon will have four different versions: 10-player, 25-player, 10-player Heroic, and 25-player Heroic, with each one using a separate lockout.

That's right, there's going to be four different loot tables for one goddamn raid. As if Ulduar wasn't insane enough. And this is also where Tier 9 is coming from.

I'm guessing there's two possible lines of reasoning to doing the four difficulties:

1) They're listening to the "getting gear is a joke" crowd, and making Tier 9 only available from Heroic difficulties which will be a large step from Uld 10 and Uld 25. This also appeases people who think fights themselves should be difficult and not just hard modes.

2) They're continuing their annoying "everybody should see all the content lol" business model, and "Heroic" really just means "you have some Uld gear", while the normal versions are for people that have a couple Naxx epics and quest blues.

I realllllly hope it's not 2.

New epic 10- and 25-player raid dungeon with five encounters, with each encounter being unlocked one week at a time

OH BOY, SUNWELL GATES AGAIN!

[devonin]

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Now all they need to do is make heroic versions of all the old-world content so Van Cleef can be the level 83 he deserves to be, and make a 5-man tier of content to run alongside the 10 and 25 instead of just "You do 5 mans until you have your heroic epics, and then you can NEVER DO 5-MAN CONTENT POINTFULLY AGAIN" model they have now.

[Squeek]

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And right after that, Blizz makes the solution for people like Izzy:

"You have the ability to disable EXP gains."

It was supposed to be for twinks, but you can level something to 60 and halt it, then run old raids with that character. Stop one at 70 and run BC raids. Go nuts.

Patch 3.2 notes are HUGE. Other biggest change that we didn't know about: Goodbye emblems of heroism / valor. Heroic dungeons will yield Conquest. SERIOUSLY.

http://www.wow.com/2009/06/18/patch-3-2-ptr-patch-notes/

[Tokzic]

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Patch 3.2 notes are HUGE. Other biggest change that we didn't know about: Goodbye emblems of heroism / valor. Heroic dungeons will yield Conquest. SERIOUSLY.

Yeah, I just read about that number and came rushing to this thread.

I don't know what they're thinking. Two major patches in and they already want to nullify Naxx and most of Ulduar - just run Heroics instead, and you'll have Ulduar-quality pants, belt, neck, gloves, and two pieces of Tier 8. Then you can exchange down to Valor and also get Naxx-quality bracers, cloak, boots, and ring.

All without stepping into a raid.

It's almost like they're saying "yeah, putting Naxx in the game again was a lazy decision, let's pretend it never happened".

[Izzy]

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And right after that, Blizz makes the solution for people like Izzy:

"You have the ability to disable EXP gains."

It was supposed to be for twinks, but you can level something to 60 and halt it, then run old raids with that character. Stop one at 70 and run BC raids. Go nuts.

Patch 3.2 notes are HUGE. Other biggest change that we didn't know about: Goodbye emblems of heroism / valor. Heroic dungeons will yield Conquest. SERIOUSLY.

http://www.wow.com/2009/06/18/patch-...r-patch-notes/

I don't care about pve. The pvp doesn't work the same as it used to for many reasons. New talents, not enough people que, and death knights.