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  • boidi
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2004
    • 144

    #31
    Since i have nothing productive to say myself, i will quote my good friend EPS


    Sometimes, my nameless little friend, they say one must be cruel to be kind. If that's true, serf spawn so lowly even your parents didn't view you as worthy of a name, then your friend and overfiend EPS is about to be very, very kind to you indeed. I will put this bluntly as a truncheon to the back of the skull: at fifteen, what you're feeling is not love but rampaging weasel lust, and the sooner you understand and accept this, the easier life will become for you. At fifteen, three girlfriends is nothing to sneeze at, especially since Evil Princess Sara knows people of twenty and older (amazing how modern medical technology can extend the lifespan even of geezers that age, isn't it?), each of them vastly more appealing than you in every possible way, who haven't had any boyfriends or girlfriends, much less three. And finally, with spelling and punctuation as terrible as yours was in the original version of this letter, you'd be much better off paying more attention to your English classes instead of dwelling on what a hollow and lonely death awaits you at the nigh-corpselike age of twenty. An advanced case of cringing neediness like yours is unattractive enough to begin with - don't compound your disadvantage by being a functional illiterate on top of it, or the only girl who'll be interested in you at all is the hiring night manager at Taco Bell.

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    • pympinpaki69
      FFR Player
      • Aug 2004
      • 3

      #32
      hi i like eggs! me with b-ball cap --> d:P <--- stylin n profyilin

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      • pympinpaki69
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2004
        • 3

        #33
        man im stoopid

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        • CypherToorima
          Boss of all bosses
          • Jul 2003
          • 2452

          #34
          fuck off and die. Also, stop gaying up my thread.
          I'm a figantic gaggot

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          • JesusWaffle
            FFR Player
            • Jul 2004
            • 20

            #35
            Re: Critical Thinking: Can you love someone...

            Originally posted by CypherToorima
            Alright. I have a question for everyone here. Well almost everyone. This question is aimed at the regular age group that posts here(10...er...13-15 or 16 year olds). Do you think that you are capable of actually loving someone outside your family?


            My answer is no. I don't feel I am mature enough to actually love someone outside my family. I can like someone as 'more than a friend', but I don't feel I can love them.


            Too clear up any confusion, I'm talking about a 'Marriage' sort of 'love'.
            I'm going to take as neutral a stance on this as possible. Let's examine the facts:

            - Considering the fact that human DNA is 99% identical to chimpanzee DNA and 40% identical to banana DNA, the differences between the adolescent brain and adult brain are infinitesimaly small.
            - There is no biological reason for adolescents to be incapable of love.
            - Adolescent horomones are, in fact, stronger than adult horomones.

            Doesn't seem very neutral, biologically. However, let's consider the psychological factor:
            - Love (the variety this discussion is centered on*) has less to do with horomones and more to do with higher emotion.
            - Adolescents, who are still in the process of finding themselves, are less likely to be looking for their soulmate while still looking for themselves.

            However, I see no reason why a significantly mature and self-confident adolescent could not fall in love, and it seems to me that such claims could use a little evidence.

            *According to psychologists, there are four types of love. This is theoretical, but seems rather solid:
            1. Romantic love, which is based on horomones. Involves a lot of lust, jealosy and powerful emotion. According to theory, lasts about 5 years (long enough to mate and raise the children to an extent before separating paths; darwinism in action).
            2. Assessment of positive and negative qualities of the individual and a controlled approach which eventually develops into an emotional need.
            3. Strong friendship bond. Much more gradual than any of the other methods. It is my opinion that there is a fine line between love and friendship, and this is the variety of love which develops when that line is crossed.
            4. Infatuation, which involves attraction to an individual who embodies qualities one is in denial about oneself possessing, to allow oneself to become whole without submitting to their suppressed nature. Hence "opposites attract". Also involves qualities embodied by the parents of the infatuated, due to the separation from parents during adolescence and a subconscious desire to reunite with them.

            I suppose the type of love we are discussing could be a combination of any of these four types, though the fourth is unlikely. Therefore it could be said that there is no distinction between these types besides magnitude. Since adolescents are clearly capable of all four of these, I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to do more than once or in any magnitude. In archaic societies, adolescents were already getting married.

            I rest my case. Adolescents are capable of love.
            Reality leaves a lot to the imagination.
            - John Lennon

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            • CypherToorima
              Boss of all bosses
              • Jul 2003
              • 2452

              #36
              Holy shit, thank you JesusWaffle for providing a well thought out answer.
              I'm a figantic gaggot

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              • JesusWaffle
                FFR Player
                • Jul 2004
                • 20

                #37
                Originally posted by CypherToorima
                Holy shit, thank you JesusWaffle for providing a well thought out answer.
                You've made my day.
                Reality leaves a lot to the imagination.
                - John Lennon

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                • sprklzstarchild
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 3

                  #38
                  yeah this thread is pretty old but i felt like commenting. im 17 currently, will be 18 in jan. and im heading off to college in 4 days. i recently (little over a week ago) ended a year and a half relationship with a 22 yr old man. i loved him, still love him, and will always love him. to me, love is a deep caring for someone.. and i fell IN love with him.. which is very different to me then love itself. we broke up bc i fell out of love with him. and b4 u say "oh well u were never really IN LOVE in the first place", married couples fall in and out of love all the time, but are still together. u cant CONSTANTLY be on a 'love high' and be in love with the person everyday. (maybe there are exceptions) so im stating right now that i, PERSONALLY, consider them to be 2 entirely different things.

                  as human beings, we try very hard to classify things... categorize them... make up words for them.. like "love"... the majority see love as a noun that signifies an emotion/feeling. but honestly why do we try so hard to label everything? love can be many different things to many different people. its human nature to try and break things down into understandable, bite-size objects so we feel more at ease with the subject. but sometimes we just need to let go.

                  so to answer ur question... do i think u can "love" a gf/bf at a younger age.. sure. maybe it has something to do with maturity.. maybe not! with all the things we've attached to "love".. marriage, wedding ring, children, sex, people become blinded and may think that those things mean they 'love' someone else. who knows. nothing is pure or simple anymore. just do ur own thing and dont MOCK anyone who's young and says theyre in love... maybe they are, but who are you to judge?

                  i dunno, i hope something in there made some sense. oh well. peace and blueberry muffins.

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                  • The_Q
                    FFR Player
                    • May 2004
                    • 4391

                    #39
                    Peace , Love, and Fishsticks; get it right. (watch out, I'm about to say it) lol

                    Anywho, I know you've all heard this before, but I know myself enough to look for a soulmate. I am physically and emotionally ahead of the ballgame as far as teenagers go. At 15 I'm looking for a long lasting relationship with someone I love.

                    I do, however, think that finding the perfect person isn't a good idea. Finding true love is economically an unsound principle. If this person is perfect for you, he/she is probably perfect for another person too, which means you pay quite a bit more to keep them away from others. It also means they're more likely to leave the relationship.

                    Just my thioughts.

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                    • sprklzstarchild
                      FFR Player
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 3

                      #40
                      NOOO It's Peace, Love, Unity, Respect, (Responsibility)... depending if ur PLUR or PLURR... meh.. whatever. *kicks the "raver" side of me*

                      but yeah... i don't even believe in searching for the right person... i find that if u just continue on down the road going for ur own goals and dreams and you'll meet the people necessary to help u through ur career/dreams/whatever and they just become a part of ur life naturally... u dont even have to waste ur time looking. but then again i was never really a relationship sort of gal, so a partner isn't that incredibly important to me. i dont think there's ever anyone whos "perfect" for you, if they were... that means you'd have to put no work or effort into a relationship... and then its not a relationship bc nothing was put into it. lol.

                      today's peace phrase for me is:
                      Peace and furniture porn. g'day.

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                      • AniamL
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 27

                        #41
                        I'm 17 now, and I do think that for two years I was truly in love - the kind of "happiliy married for 30 years" love I assume you're talking about. She embodied every virtue I desired, and some days I would spend 7-8 hours just talking to her, yet in two years we never experienced the type of cliché touchy-feely girlfriend/boyfriend relationship that high school is so famous for (and I never really developed much physical attraction). I loved her more than my family or anyone else I knew, and I think that perhaps I would have died for her. (But she spent a term on a farm on Vermont in one of my school's abroad programs and she became a very different person, which I do consider the saddest experience of my life, but that's a completely different [and 5-page] story)

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                        • The_Q
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2004
                          • 4391

                          #42
                          I do agree with you there whatevermajiggie child. I don't want a relationship just yet. I'm happy now, why change to risk not being happy? I've spent enough time alone to (I'm no Narcissus) like myself. I talk to myself quite often and get into some rather deep discussions sometimes. That's really all I want in a girl. Someone who'll do what I do with myself (watch your thoughts)

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