If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

[Squeek]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

You know what that picture is?

One day, a young Astronomer named Hubble decided "wow there are a lot of stars out there to look at. But wait, I just had a crazy idea! Let's point this telescope, the most powerful telescope in the world right now, at a spot of the sky that is BLANK. No stars to be seen. Leave it there over a period of time, and let's see what shows up after a while."

They come back a while later and see this.

That must've been one of the most "OMG" moments in history.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

What's the deal with these people announcing themselves as "non-religious"? There's nothing inherently wrong with being atheistic or agnostic, and if you're not religious then one of those terms must apply to you. Are you really that desperate to not be lumped into a group? This is the kind of elitism and rebelliousness I would expect of Rai and Moogy rather than the people who have demonstrated it in this topic so far.

[staticwolf]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Hope I'm not coming across as a church-lover. I agree with you guys when you say that the church is full of bull. I am totally for that.

In my opinion, even if you consider something as logical as science... it's just a set of rules we've created in our limited perception of things. And whenever something like 'the world isn't flat after all' hits us, we modify the rules until our perception is happy.

Reach:
Now take a look at thermodynamics. Energy can't be created or destroyed. Amazing!

Whoa! Our perception on energy looks good. That is, until someone like Galileo comes along and maybe educates us a bit more. Then, we stick with that. Although we can explain a few things, there is still room for a whole lot of explanation. Plus, explanations might have to be revised depending on whichever scenario presents itself.

I guess the reason you don't want to believe in god is that church tells you to believe in god. Reason enough. And so, you keep looking for ways, using science, to prove otherwise.

Science puts things into their places. But the way our understanding of it is, it can't put everything into it's place. I don't think our science is strong enough to rule out god. Not-guilty until proven otherwise, I say.

Great scientists like the illuminati went against the church, but most of them believed in god. Some even wanted to prove that there was a relation between science and god. I'm with them.

[FictionJunction]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

In my opinion, even if you consider something as logical as science... it's just a set of rules we've created in our limited perception of things. And whenever something like 'the world isn't flat after all' hits us, we modify the rules until our perception is correct.

There fixed.
We don't channge science because one theory makes us more comfortable than the other. Quite the opposite. We change science because we discover, and through these discoveries we correct previous theories. Facts are apathetic to one's comfort. The fact that people from years past were uncomfortable with the thought of the world being round didn't change the fact that the world was, in fact, round.

I guess the reason you don't want to believe in god is that church tells you to believe in god. Reason enough. And so, you keep looking for ways, using science, to prove otherwise.

It's not that we (I don't want to speak for everyone, so I apologize) don't believe in God because the church tells us to, because we wouldn't feel uncomfortable believing in something we're told to believe, just as long as this belief is no longer myth or fable.. but a fact.

Science puts things into their places. But the way our understanding of it is, it can't put everything into it's place. I don't think our science is strong enough to rule out god. Not-guilty until proven otherwise, I say.

Nor God can rule out science. Think about something simple as Gravity. Can God really rule that out? =X The way gravity functions is fully comprehended by us mere human beings, how can God change that?

Great scientists like the illuminati went against the church, but most of them believed in god. Some even wanted to prove that there was a relation between science and god. I'm with them.

I like them <3 Seriously.
I'm not affiliated to the Church or any organized religion. I like to have the excuse of a higher power who placed everything here for us, but alas, after what Reach stated, I might have to rethink this. What he said makes absolute sense.

[staticwolf]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Nor God can rule out science. Think about something simple as Gravity. Can God really rule that out? =X The way gravity functions is fully comprehended by us mere human beings, how can God change that?

Somehow, the way you put things, it seems like you're saying either God or science can exist at a time. Why have you ruled out that both God and science can co-exist. Each one in existence without threatening the other. I'll bet you haven't thought about it this way.

What if I were to say God created science so that there would be a purpose for our brain? Everything happens according to science, in turn, according to God.

[dead_juggalo]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

I was a Christian but then I started thinking, I am agnostic, that the bible does not prove that it's true. I have been agnostic for 5 years now, since i was 11. I don't not believe in god but I also don't. I think there is a very good possibility of it but I don't think so.

[FictionJunction]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Everything happens according to science, in turn, according to God.

That's what I'd like to think.
But, then again, after what Reach posted about something being greater than God.. I'd have to rethink that.

[FictionJunction]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

I was a Christian but then I started thinking, I am agnostic, that the bible does not prove that it's true. I have been agnostic for 5 years now, since i was 11. I don't not believe in god but I also don't. I think there is a very good possibility of it but I don't think so.

1) People at 11 years of age don't generally have enough reasoning to state what they'd like to believe. They blindly follow whatever is presented to them, much like all devout Catholics and <insert other religions here>.

2) "I don't not believe in god but I also don't."
You, sir, do not make sense.

3) You also can't add.

[staticwolf]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Yea but you're contradicting yourself.

And this god would also have to be the result of an action.

If God created the universe than something created God and thus something even greater than God must exist.

I wasn't really contradicting myself, Reach. I did mention it being a domino effect. For the domino effect to work, somebody has to push the first domino for the rest to topple.

Otherwise, we'd have to think that there was never a beginning for the universe. Kind of like the number scale where the numbers run infinite in both positives and negatives.

In the case of the universe, it's not proven that there was no beginning and that there won't be an end. Until then, it is safe to assume that the universe did begin somewhere.

It is safe to assume that only a being as powerful as God (read domino toppler) could create/begin something where there was initially nothing. This is where everything would begin. Where action, cause and effect would begin. Where science would begin. Where our thought and perception would begin. Accepting God's existence won't mean rejecting science.

[FictionJunction]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

I wasn't really contradicting myself, Reach. I did mention it being a domino effect. For the domino effect to work, somebody has to push the first domino for the rest to topple.

Otherwise, we'd have to think that there was never a beginning for the universe. Kind of like the number scale where the numbers run infinite in both positives and negatives.

In the case of the universe, it's not proven that there was no beginning and that there won't be an end. Until then, it is safe to assume that the universe did begin somewhere.

It is safe to assume that only a being as powerful as God (read domino toppler) could create/begin something where there was initially nothing. This is where everything would begin. Where action, cause and effect would begin. Where science would begin. Where our thought and perception would begin. Accepting God's existence won't mean rejecting science.

The whole point is the fact that we do not know if a God was the one who pushed the first domino.

[Reach]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

I wasn't really contradicting myself, Reach. I did mention it being a domino effect. For the domino effect to work, somebody has to push the first domino for the rest to topple.

It was a contradiction.

If you're going to say that everything requires a cause to have a reaction then it is a contradiction to say that someone can push the first domino without first being pushed.

I think the domino theory is very much incorrect. It has to be, or our entire existance is a contradiction.

If you're going to go a long with the idea, as I proposed that existance does not necessarily require a beginning then you have to consider occams razor.

As I see it, if a God were to exist in this situation it would be radically different than anything we can possibly perceive. The idea of some entity makes no sense to me when considering physics.

[Squeek]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

What's the deal with these people announcing themselves as "non-religious"? There's nothing inherently wrong with being atheistic or agnostic, and if you're not religious then one of those terms must apply to you. Are you really that desperate to not be lumped into a group? This is the kind of elitism and rebelliousness I would expect of Rai and Moogy rather than the people who have demonstrated it in this topic so far.

Because if I say I'm Atheist in public people go "YOU'RE A SATAN WORSHIPPER YOU'LL BURN IN THE FIRES!!!!!!!!!1111111111"

I just wanted to remove myself from having a classification. That's all.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Who the hell would actually say that?

If someone actually does, then just don't bother to bring up the subject in the first place.

[FictionJunction]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Because if I say I'm Atheist in public people go "YOU'RE A SATAN WORSHIPPER YOU'LL BURN IN THE FIRES!!!!!!!!!1111111111"

I just wanted to remove myself from having a classification. That's all.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.
Most people just frown upon my views and pity me, aside from trying to convince me that God is the one and trueway. This is where I tell them they are retarded for being close minded and not trying to make sense out of what I tell them. Apparently, Faith is fact instead of belief.
No offense to the intelligent Catholics or <insert branch of christianity here> who actually understand both points of view but just choose to engage in Blind Faith. I love you <3

[Grandiagod]

Re: If you've moved from being religious to Athiest, how did that go?

Who the hell would actually say that?

Actually more people than you might think.

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