Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

[Reach]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

It shouldn't be that far out of our reach. I'm not sure if I'll see it in my lifetime, but it will come eventually.

It's hard to say if it's a good idea or not XD Eventually we'll be able to produce people with no genetic defects too, so I don't see why keeping them alive forever would hurt.

Overpopulation? The effect of such a change would dramatically change our culture and perception of well...everything, and probably to the point where babies are a rarity. There would be no need for it, technological dependance would probably begin changing our brains rapidly. Or hell, artificial intelligence?

Not to mention if we can keep the greatest geniuses alive forever we'll be in colonies orbiting around the asteroid belt or something in another 200 years anyway, assuming the whole planet doesn't go tits up first.

[Specforces]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Those who were screwing around have been delt the hand of judgement, continue with the discussion and carry on. (I didn't lock or unlock this thread, but I did get your PM.)

[Iam_a_Maid]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Those who are saying, I wouldn't want to live forever, no one said you would live forever, just longer. Besides how can you say it would be boring if you have yet, or anyone else for that matter experienced living long.

[The_Q]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Ok, if we're going to argue the validity of this mystical statement to begin with...

No, there's no possible way that anybody is near this. If there was so much as a report that some scientist might be just a few steps away, it would have hit major news, people would be sending money in to help it along...etc. People want to live forever. Not me, but people. The economic impact of something that big so close would be huge and yet, it's not felt at all.

Wonder why?

It isn't happening. Back to your tabloids, men!

Q

EDIT: Iam_a_maid...actual the very title of this thread mentions eternal life. Sorry, you're wrong.

[church_pk]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Well, yes i did mention eternal life (immortality) but I also should have added or just to live beyond the average life expectancy. But in the long run, if they do create some sort of immortality potion from future technologies, not necissarily meaning anywhere in the near future, but perhaps it just depends on how MUCH of the medicine you take at a time. I'd assume it would have to be something you take on a daily routine, but whatever it is It obviously isn't ready yet, just like The Q said.

[Iam_a_Maid]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Ok, if we're going to argue the validity of this mystical statement to begin with...

No, there's no possible way that anybody is near this. If there was so much as a report that some scientist might be just a few steps away, it would have hit major news, people would be sending money in to help it along...etc. People want to live forever. Not me, but people. The economic impact of something that big so close would be huge and yet, it's not felt at all.

Wonder why?

It isn't happening. Back to your tabloids, men!

Q

Do you think one field will magically come up with a solution, this will be culmination of various fields work that will lead to longer lives. I already said that in one of my posts, read, please.

EDIT: Iam_a_maid...actual the very title of this thread mentions eternal life. Sorry, you're wrong.

You seems to be very inflexible, and try to interpret things to how they suit you, sorry to tell ya but world doesn't revolve around any one individual.

[church_pk]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Yeah, i kinda agree with Maid, just because it says eternal life doesn't mean the whole thread is closed to that one thing, after all, this is critical thinking, every idea is welcome if it suits the topic.

[The_Q]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Do you think one field will magically come up with a solution, this will be culmination of various fields work that will lead to longer lives. I already said that in one of my posts, read, please.

Which proves me right one more time, this just isn't happening anytime soon. Even in following generations. If it were possible, people would be clamoring to get it done faster.

And, to you church, this thread is titled and mentions quite frequently the use of this technology for eternal life. Sure, you can bring up other things, but the topic of the thread is using the technology for that purpose. Posts in this thread are supposed to regard this, otherwise they don't belong in the thread. I don't make the rules, guys, I just think they're a good way to keep discussion from flying around into nonsense (like arguments over how broad we should argue).

While we're on rules, if you have a problem with me, Iam_a_Maid, don't bring it up in a thread. Tell me personally. It doesn't belong out here. Thanks for reading the rules, guys.

Q

[jburden]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

I've read several articles mentioning people who's life work is to try and allow immortality, and personally, its got a long way to go.

From what I've read, each person had a different outlook to gain this immportality. Me, personally, feels that the only way to really allow immortality is in the effects of something we could call ying and yang.

Our body ages through a certain, say "clock", which strides us forward. Finding a way to oppose the force of this clock with a equal force would then allow the growth rate to cancel to null with this opposite force, hence in theory allow your body to stay at the same state.

Some people have gone a natural way in which herbs and other things of mother earth is a way for immortality, others have suggested nanobots that regulate the body and use nutrients as its main source of fuel to keep going, others suggest that a new generation of humans will eventually gain immortality, and others have been brought up.

Generally, with all the methods and theories revolving around this immortality, I just see it as people not knowing which way to approuch immortality in the first place. The only "path" people have considered was Nicholas Flame and his stone, but those were during his times....though there still exist today some faithful who believe the stone and his family members still exist today.

I...just don't see it coming soon, dispite what strides we take for science. Its something that takes too much energy to accomplish, too much funds, and as of right know we don't have some infinate source of energy nor a stable "world economy" to look up to, so generally if we assume its going on some path to being accomplished, it still will be sluggish.

I'm not throwing the idea of immortality out the window, just I don't think we will be seeing it for the next fifty to one hundred years.

[_A2P]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

I have thought about living forever. It seems sweet. However, as selfish as this sounds, the condition would be that I would be the only immortal person in society. Why?

Because I dont want to be with the same people forever. Sure, you'll stay connected, but if everyone's doing it, then what's the point of seeing how stuff can change?

[Iam_a_Maid]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Which proves me right one more time, this just isn't happening anytime soon. Even in following generations. If it were possible, people would be clamoring to get it done faster.

And, to you church, this thread is titled and mentions quite frequently the use of this technology for eternal life. Sure, you can bring up other things, but the topic of the thread is using the technology for that purpose. Posts in this thread are supposed to regard this, otherwise they don't belong in the thread. I don't make the rules, guys, I just think they're a good way to keep discussion from flying around into nonsense (like arguments over how broad we should argue).

How do you know they aren't clamoring? ;o I doubt you ever actively sought answers to this. All you are doing is saying something you wish to be true to suit your own wants.

While we're on rules, if you have a problem with me, Iam_a_Maid, don't bring it up in a thread. Tell me personally. It doesn't belong out here. Thanks for reading the rules, guys.

Q

Why would I have problem with you? I simply disagree with your point of view, learn to handle critique. There is nothing personal. Just when you post in CT. Think.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Were there a clamor, anyone who pays any sort of attention to the news would have heard about it. Remember, this is a world-changing treatment/drug/whatever. The onus is still on you and church, maid, to provide one iota of evidence that we could live forever or at least significantly beyond a human's life expectancy.

Until then, this thread is practically worthless.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Iam_a_Maid]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

This thread is indeed worthless to some degree. It either will happen within reasonable time or not, regardless of what we type in here. This is CT though, it's just interesting to talk about things even if we can't do anything at all.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Well, the problem is that the OP stated that this will indeed be possible in the very near future. I think that it's not true. He has yet to back up his claims at all. That makes for poor discussion. Had he just asked what we would think if it were possible, that would have been avoided.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[church_pk]

Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

Ok, The thread is not worthless unless you contribute ideas and thoughts towards the topics within the thread. I've done a little research now and i think i can add a little more to the i guess broad or vague description i gave of the topic. From what i've found:

As a follow up to the wisdom of actuaries on the near future of healthy life expectancy, Reuters sent a reporter to chat with biomedical gerontologist Aubrey de Grey: "Ultra-long lifespans are so far the stuff of science fiction, [but] it is no longer just a dream that people may live decades longer than they do now, de Grey said. The gerontologist said that while some people are skeptical, or even hostile, to the idea that the average lifespan will lengthen, scientific advances are likely to make this a reality. As a result, lifestyles will change. ... decades-longer lives may change traditional patterns of family life, careers, retirement, education and child-raising and force radical changes to pensions. ... These are things that people with expertise with financial planning need to take on board now." Not to mention the rest of us as well - don't expect other people to look after your future health and financial stability. It's up to you to craft the best possible future for yourself.

Says: Tom Burroughes

Now,from what i can understand, a lot of the articles Tom Burroughes has written, a lot of it has to do with the cures for cancer, heart disease, and a lot of other types of illnesses that the elderly are often plagued with. There is also this other type of evolution, called "longevity evolution", which is ppurely just the stduy of humans and we we age, and just getting to understand it to the fullest. To figure out how to stop your cells and stop the aging process you must first overcome the mechanisms for longevity.

Stated:

Good basic science in this paper, relating biochemistry, evolution and mechanisms for longevity: "The amino acids sequences of the mitochondrial DNA-coded peptides of placental mammals evolved at different rates in different branches of the mammalian phylogenetic tree. ... Mitochondria generate reactive oxygen species (ROS) that appear to constrain the life span of many species. Therefore, I tested the hypothesis that the evolution of mammalian longevity drives the accelerated evolution of mitochondrial DNA-coded peptides. ... It is suggested that, in mammals, adaptive selection of mutations that decrease the rate of production of reactive oxygen species, [directly or indirectly], increases longevity." Longevity need not be selected for directly. Reliability theory suggests that gains in health and function during youth selected for in this manner will incidentally lead to increased longevity - less oxidative damage leads to a longer life.

From where we sit, at the dawn of the biotech era, it is encouraging for our own prospects that species such as tortoises (and some whales) are capable of such extreme longevity. They aren't that different from us in the grand scheme of things, which would suggest that radical life extension via advanced biochemical and genetic manipulation - a large step beyond the present tinkering with metabolism - is a viable strategy for research in the decades ahead.

Like it or not, "anti-aging" now has a number of quite different common meanings and connotations. Each is championed by a particular group or loose coalition of interests, but advocates for these groups have a way of diving into the fray without defining their terms. This makes reading about anti-aging techniques, technologies, medicine, products, and debates very confusing for the newcomer.

* For the scientific community, anti-aging research refers exclusively to slowing, preventing, or reversing the aging process. There is, as of 2005, no medical technology that allows this to be done - although the jury is still out on calorie restriction in humans. Nor is there any currently available method (short of waiting for people to die) to accurately measure the effects of an alleged anti-aging therapy.

* In the medical and more reputable business community, anti-aging medicine means early detection, prevention, and reversal of age-related diseases. This is quite different from tackling the aging process itself, and a wide array of strategies and therapies are currently available. Calorie restriction, for example, is a demonstrated way to lower risk for a wide range of age-related degenerative conditions.

* The wider business community - including a great many fraudulent and frivolous ventures - views "anti-aging" as a valuable brand and a demonstrated way to increase sales. At the worse end of the scale, this leads to snake oil salesmen, "anti-aging" cremes that may or may not make your skin look younger, and infomercials that tout the "anti-aging" benefits of exercise machines. Broadly, and very charitably, we can look at these varied definitions of anti-aging as meaning "to look and feel younger in some way" - which has no bearing on how long you live or how healthy you actually are.

The confusion of most interest is between the first two definitions. Many interventions lengthen life span for individuals by preventing or curing specific age-related diseases that would otherwise prove fatal. For example, ask yourself whether preventing heart disease or diabetes is anti-aging medicine. This would have no effect on the aging process, but it would help many people to live longer, healthier lives. Is this anti-aging research? Scientists say no, some medical and business groups say yes.

It is very difficult to attain the EXACT information about the subject, because most of the theories haven't really been tested, or had much time put through to them. I can tell you that it is no longer a dream, and is starting to become realistic, scientists predict that their goal will be reached or accomplished in a few decades, most likely 50 or 60 years, (like Maid said) and with the proper fundings and put forth time it can succeed. The whole thing that got this spark to start in technology is the thought that disease is what is cuasing mankinds life span to be cut short and not used to it's full potential.However, I am not an expert on the subject, I just expressed my thoughts and views and in hope for someone to contribute to help keep the ideas going. I've done the most research i can..and yeah i'll see what you guys have to comment on it. By all means correct me if i'm wrong at any time, which i expect anyway.