Psychokinesis and Psychoinspired Events

[User6773]

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Look, you belive in one thing. I believe in another, that's human. I don't know why my stance makes you sick. Maybe something personal that happened to you. I see your side and aknowledge it but I won't accept it. Doing that would have me throwing away my way of thinking and as I understand it is the same for you. Arguing over this wont solve anything, just maybe make one of the sides angry.

Your "opinion" would have more validity if it were based in fact instead of wishful thinking. I don't subscribe to the principle that one can conjure up any notion that he pleases about the rational, scientific world and then use the umbrella of "opinion" to protect himself from those who force him to look at facts. Isn't this exactly what you're doing?

The arguments you present have about the same amount of rhetorical weight as plugging your ears and saying "Na-na-na-na-na, I am not listening." You're not citing any evidence to support your claims, unless you consider your imagination to be "evidence."

Faith in itself is beautiful. Faith in spite of fact is saddening.

[Grandiagod]

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Look, you belive in one thing. I believe in another, that's human. I don't know why my stance makes you sick. Maybe something personal that happened to you. I see your side and aknowledge it but I won't accept it. Doing that would have me throwing away my way of thinking and as I understand it is the same for you. Arguing over this wont solve anything, just maybe make one of the sides angry.

Maybe you should defend your opinion rather than hide under intellectual tolerance.

[Iam_a_Maid]

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Your "opinion" would have more validity if it were based in fact instead of wishful thinking. I don't subscribe to the principle that one can conjure up any notion that he pleases about the rational, scientific world and then use the umbrella of "opinion" to protect himself from those who force him to look at facts. Isn't this exactly what you're doing?

The arguments you present have about the same amount of rhetorical weight as plugging your ears and saying "Na-na-na-na-na, I am not listening." You're not citing any evidence to support your claims, unless you consider your imagination to be "evidence."

Faith in itself is beautiful. Faith in spite of fact is saddening.

I don't see how is this relevant at all to what I wrote.

1st we'd need to define what I need to prove. Why are you trying to read lines that I haven't wrote? To prove me wrong? To reaffirm your supposed sense of superiority? To have the last word?

Throwing general statements is easy but if aim is off. It is same as shooting air.

Maybe you should defend your opinion rather than hide under intellectual tolerance.

Read above.

[Mystik3345]

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The reason I was saying "as far as I know" was that i wasnt around 2000/3000 years ago to do an IQ test of humans. I know of no evidence which would suggest that peoples brain power was lower back then so "as far as I know" humans brain power has remained constant.

Evolution takes places over MILLIONS of years, not thousands. And you not knowing of any evidence doesn't mean there is none, it just means you haven't done any research. Most scientists that are studying the human brain will tell you that it IS changing, and at a rather rapid rate though probably not noticeable in your own lifetime. For instance, male brains are starting to think more like female brains, and female brains are starting to think more like a male brain. (this has to do with what type of matter we use when solving problems, grey or green or whatever... females use more grey and vice versa...)

Also, humans are living longer than ever before. Obviously due to nutrition and medical care, but still it is a huge improvement over a few thousand years ago where you lived to 50, had a heart attack or stroke and died.

Humans are less hairy, are getting taller, and progressively smarter. Not based on terms of literacy rates and bs like that, but on the ability to solve problems, the rate at which you can learn new things, etc. All improving slowly but surely. All proven with science.

As for God and the creation of the universe...Who said God didn't create us? I personally believe God caused the Big Bang with the correct seeming randomness of the explosion that eventually formed the entire universe we see around us. He is God afterall, he would be smart enough to do such a thing. To think he wouldn't is plain stupid.

And also, If you don't "believe" in evolution, go ahead. I would like this "god" of yours to explain Dinosaur fossils and how they got there when there is no mention of them in your almighty bible.

Dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, they are just called Dragons. The term Dragon was used LONG before Dinosaur was.

[windsurfer-sp]

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If you say so Mystik I just dont see the change enough for us to be able to devolpe powers of telekensis or something stupid like that.

[Hr2]

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There is a reason that we aren't pushing forward in research of psychic abilities, because they don't exist. There is no reason we should believe they exist, the whole premise of being a psychic is trying so hard to change something that you trick yourself into believing you were the cause for it.

Same goes for many things, the human mind is powerful, but it exerts the most power over itself.

Personally, I've managed to make myself remember things incorrectly simply because I wanted to remember them that way. Then when I checked my facts I realized that I was very wrong. There are a few things I still am unsure about, because of this.

[Mystik3345]

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If you say so Mystik I just dont see the change enough for us to be able to devolpe powers of telekensis or something stupid like that.

What does intellegence have to do with telekenisis? I already stated in an earlier post that all psychic stuff was BS.

[omfgisukatthisgame]

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i believe the mind has more power than we give it credit for, but astrology is just stupid

[Gustavo_Brasil]

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Agreeing to Talisman, 75% of what he said was proven right in the university research both in the american university and Brazilian university of Parapsychology. yett like zildjian said, it is wether you belive it or not. It is all in your mind, it isn`t illusion, it is your mind`s power, it`s a energy that is around your body, like your body heat. that energy can be developed by mind training such as meditation. Thats why psychic people are so calm they practice meditation, it cleans your mind. also helps with you focusing on other things like levitation and all that.

[Doug31]

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Don't bump old topics!

[Reach]

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Evolution takes places over MILLIONS of years, not thousands

It depends on the pressures being applied on the population, and what kind of evolution you're talking about. Microevolution can happen MUCH faster than that. In one generation actually.

Actually, evolution never stops. It's always happening, but I mean, if you're waiting for us to turn into little green men with big heads then yes you'll have to wait a few million years.

Most scientists that are studying the human brain will tell you that it IS changing, and at a rather rapid rate

This is true. That doesn't mean it's for the better, though (relatively speaking).

For instance, male brains are starting to think more like female brains, and female brains are starting to think more like a male brain. (this has to do with what type of matter we use when solving problems, grey or green or whatever... females use more grey and vice versa...)

Where did you read this?

Also, males have 10 times more grey matter than women do. Women have 5 times as much white matter.

(Fun fact; we know grey matter is used for problem solving but arn't sure what white matter does. Girls better hope whatever it's doing is two times better than that grey matter XD )

Humans are less hairy, are getting taller, and progressively smarter

Probably true, true and arguable. There is evidence to show intelligence is declining, actually, and that the average IQ is going down (and rather quickly at that). It's pretty simple stuff to understand too...dumb people are reproducing more than smart people are, which is causing a massive downward shift in average intelligence.

[Rapadura]

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Personally I believe that in a few hundred or thousand years science will be denied as just another attempt to explain the unexplained, my reason for believing this (and please stop a second to think about this) is that a long time ago religion was used to explain the unexplained, and it was used worldwide by so many peoples and it was ignorantly defended the same way that everyone including most of you are defending science, and of course once science is massly disregarded, people , not learning from past mistakes, will of course ignorantly pick up something else to explain the unexplained, and will consider people who still beleive in science and religion to be ignorant and stupid,. ps i am no way trying to insult anybody or call people who beleive in religion and science, because i'd be insulting myself

i just brought that up to stop the pigheaded, back and forth quarreling,

now about the real topic "psychokinesis". Imagine someone somehow discovers/develops/ or "whatever" finds out a way to manipulate the theoritical 4th dimension (which i personally beleive in). for this person it should be technically easy to manipulate objects ,with what appears to us to be with their "mind". If you dont know how this would work read up on 4th dimension before you argue it (ps its all theoritical so dont bite my head off). Now the reason we dont know any person that could do this, can be many. First and main reason being the person doesn't care what we think, theoritically he'd be able to play us like a person draws on paper(2nd dimension), so what satisfaction would he have in showing us his/her "powers" , or winning a billion dollars? when he can just make it himself. A second reason could be because they could not handle that kind of stress on themselves and just commit suicide (reason im very vague on that reason is because its just a vague thought). Another reason could be that they just leave, and dont want to come back, eg. "ascend to a higher plane of existance", could be a way of saying it.

Just a personal thought: I believe god could very well be a being of forth dimension.

Any comments?

[sherbtail]

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Personally I believe that in a few hundred or thousand years science will be denied as just another attempt to explain the unexplained, my reason for believing this (and please stop a second to think about this) is that a long time ago religion was used to explain the unexplained, and it was used worldwide by so many peoples and it was ignorantly defended the same way that everyone including most of you are defending science, and of course once science is massly disregarded, people , not learning from past mistakes, will of course ignorantly pick up something else to explain the unexplained, and will consider people who still beleive in science and religion to be ignorant and stupid,. ps i am no way trying to insult anybody or call people who beleive in religion and science, because i'd be insulting myself

Don't bump old topics, especially not with stuff like this... science isn't a thing that can be disregarded. It is not a set of rules, it just describes what we think the rules and workings of the universe are. And if a particular thing turns out to be wrong, science and our understanding, just evolves.

Also if you hadn't realised, religion hasn't been denied as just an old fashioned way to explain the unexplained, except by a save few. By far the majority of the world still has a religion