Aliens? Existent or NON-existent [warning contains religion]

[Leaff]

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Two, could you give verse numbers for that chariot of fire line?

--Guido

2 Kings 2:1-12


1Not long before the LORD took Elijah up into heaven in a strong wind, Elijah and Elisha were leaving Gilgal. 2Elijah said to Elisha, "The LORD wants me to go to Bethel, but you must stay here."
Elisha replied, "I swear by the living LORD and by your own life that I will stay with you no matter what!" And he went with Elijah to Bethel.

3A group of prophets who lived there asked Elisha, "Do you know that today the LORD is going to take away your master?"

"Yes, I do," Elisha answered. "But don't remind me of it."

4Elijah then said, "Elisha, now the LORD wants me to go to Jericho, but you must stay here."

Elisha replied, "I swear by the living LORD and by your own life, that I will stay with you no matter what!" And he went with Elijah to Jericho.

5A group of prophets who lived there asked Elisha, "Do you know that today the LORD is going to take away your master?"

"Yes, I do," Elisha answered. "But don't remind me of it."

6Elijah then said to Elisha, "Now the LORD wants me to go to the Jordan River, but you must stay here."

Elisha replied, "I swear by the living LORD and by your own life that I will never leave you!" So the two of them walked on together.

7Fifty prophets followed Elijah and Elisha from Jericho, then stood at a distance and watched as the two men walked toward the river. 8When they got there, Elijah took off his coat, then he rolled it up and struck the water with it. At once a path opened up through the river, and the two of them walked across on dry ground.

9After they had reached the other side, Elijah said, "Elisha, the LORD will soon take me away. What can I do for you before that happens?"

Elisha answered, "Please give me twice as much of your power as you give the other prophets, so I can be the one who takes your place as their leader."

10"It won't be easy," Elijah answered. "It can happen only if you see me as I am being taken away."

11Elijah and Elisha were walking along and talking, when suddenly there appeared between them a flaming chariot pulled by fiery horses. Right away, a strong wind took Elijah up into heaven. 12Elisha saw this and shouted, "Israel's cavalry and chariots have taken my master away!" [a] After Elijah had gone, Elisha tore his clothes in sorrow.

[jewpinthethird]

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It's a question men have ponderd since we first learnt that space was a vast emptiness that seemed to go on forever, ARE we alone in the whole of space or is there other sentiant life forms out there. One thing that comes to my mind is that it might be possible. What if gods really were not gods after all, what if in fact they were a very advanced race of lifeforms who discovered our low tech planet and it's simple lifeforms....Think about it. It is said in the Christian bible that god (or was it jesus? I don't know im not christian) came down on a chariot of fire. What if in fact this "chariot" was really a landing pod from the life forms space ship? I for one have a hard time beleive that we are the only life forms in the whole vastness of space. Heres something else to think about. What if humans were just a science project thet got out of hand for a more advanced race of beings that we thought wer really gods? Would it not explain why they no longer have contact with us? The christians beleive that god created the world in seven days. Maybe it was created in seven days but not by a god.

ISBN: 0345391802

[GuidoHunter]

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Thank you.

--Guido

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[Triplex72]

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If there were more advanced lifeforms out there when they show up, they'd kill us all. Just think, it would be like us caring about stepping on ants. If they were hundreds or thousands of years more advanced than us they would have no use for us other than possibly using our planet.

[seinno]

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Ok first what you have to realize is that the universe is so friggin huge that until about 4000 we probably wont have half of it charted lol i mean we are one Galaxy in what?....4 billion others???.....I mean are planet took billions of years to form and to make us what we are now who's to say that there wasnt already another planet thats done so itself?? i mean come on!!! if evolution can happen on one planet then so can it happen on another if the planet can support bacteria thus bacteria will evolve and soon grow into various things I belive in a scientific point that it is inevitible for life not to exsist so there must be some else were weither or not they are able to come to this planet im not sure I personaly dont belive in goverment conspearences

[jewpinthethird]

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Ok first what you have to realize is that the universe is so friggin huge that until about 4000 we probably wont have half of it charted lol i mean we are one Galaxy in what?....4 billion others???.....I mean are planet took billions of years to form and to make us what we are now who's to say that there wasnt already another planet thats done so itself?? i mean come on!!! if evolution can happen on one planet then so can it happen on another if the planet can support bacteria thus bacteria will evolve and soon grow into various things I belive in a scientific point that it is inevitible for life not to exsist so there must be some else were weither or not they are able to come to this planet im not sure I personaly dont belive in goverment conspearences

or spelling.

[MCRenaissance]

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or spelling.

lol

[Reach]

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If there were more advanced lifeforms out there when they show up, they'd kill us all. Just think, it would be like us caring about stepping on ants. If they were hundreds or thousands of years more advanced than us they would have no use for us other than possibly using our planet.

I'd say, if they were smart enough to get here, then they are way beyond our technological and intelligence level, and could be very peaceful beings. Ask yourself, would you blow up another civilization if we found one? We're not exactly talking about ants here.

Or on another note, who's to say they would even care that much. Assuming we were like ants to them, there could already have been thousands of civilzations they've run into. They could simply be charting the universe. Do you run around all day stomping ants, investing potentially massive resources for travel and supplies and such? That just doesn't make sense XD You'd only kill an ant if they were invaiding your territory

I for some reason don't feel a civilization with the ability to manipulate gravity and the laws of the universe itself to travel faster than the speed of light would run around blowing up other civilizations just to steal their resources. I think they'd have to invest more resources to get here than they would find here anyway XD Because I mean, they can't just blow us up. Again, even more resources put into fighting us and getting rid of us without destorying our resources. Just doesn't make any sense.

[flamingspinach]

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I assume what he/she meant was that were aliens to use our planet as a resource, they would not bother trying to save us. Which I suppose is possible. Again, I doubt that any aliens we encounter would have thought processes that would even "make sense" in human terms, though.

[Reach]

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I assume what he/she meant was that were aliens to use our planet as a resource, they would not bother trying to save us. Which I suppose is possible. Again, I doubt that any aliens we encounter would have thought processes that would even "make sense" in human terms, though.

Well yes, except we're talking about aliens that would have to be SOMEWHAT similar to us (the exception being below) if they're going to go about breaking the light barrier and zipping through the cosmos. You have to be evolved into a species that has not only developed the higher level cognitive abilities, such as creativity and abstract thinking, but they would also have to have evolved limbs that could be used in a material world, or they'd never develop down this path no matter how intelligent they are. I have a feeling any 'visitor' would atleast be 'similar' to us in terms of thought process and physical structure.

But then again, I'm assuming these aliens arn't billions of years more evolved than us. In that case, then we would likely not understand them at all, and they would also look completely unfamiliar. And certainly any species over a billion years ahead of us would likely not exist anywhere near us, meaning they would indeed have to smash the light barrier and would have to heavily rely on technology.

[flamingspinach]

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No offense, but I think you're being a bit closed minded by suggesting that any spacefaring species would HAVE to be similar to us. We truly have no idea what strange forms and abilities aliens might have. Our own "cognitive" ability is a manifestation of a highly advanced nervous system. Who's to say that other sorts of organs couldn't develop in aliens, to a point that they become some defining characteristic to them which is unknown to us, just as we have our "intelligence"? There's no way to know... And that doesn't just mean species "billions of years more evolved than us" - why would they even have to go through our particular waypoint in evolution? What makes our particular flavor of cognitive skills so special compared to any other hyperadvanced (even to an entire different level) trait? It just so happens that humans are the only species on our own planet that we consider to have "transcended" the animals, by dint of our intelligence. But maybe that's just because decision-making and other cognitive skills (i.e. our nervous system) is the only thing that happened to evolve that highly among the species on Earth. We really can't say anything whatsoever about what alien life could be like.

-fs

[COBOL]

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How does caring about such a subject further my quality of life?

[Triplex72]

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I assume what he/she meant was that were aliens to use our planet as a resource, they would not bother trying to save us. Which I suppose is possible. Again, I doubt that any aliens we encounter would have thought processes that would even "make sense" in human terms, though.

Yes thats what I meant.

[Master_guitar_playa]

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first of all, there is no verse in the bible stating that god or jesus came down in a chariot of fire. I think you are mixing up god for apollo, a god in greek mythology.

Secondly, look at how long Earth took to evolve and become stable enough to support intelligent life. Earth is about 4.5 billion years old and we, as in civilized humans not paleolithic and neolithic times, have only been on this planet for the last 20,000 years. Other life is a definate somewhere in this universe, but lifeforms so far advanced that they could have made a spaceship, traveled billions and trillions of lightyears and landed on this planet 4.5 billion years ago when this world began is absurd.

Now if you want to mix the bible with your theory, then you would be saying that we humans mistook the first 7 days of creation as aliens. In fact the 7 days described in the bible is really the very beginning of space, also known as the big bang (or as the bible says, a blinding flash of light and energy coming from nothing, sounds just like fact right) That means that as soon as the unvierse forms, a superior race of aliens would have had to already have been alive for millions of years to become that advanced. nothing could have been alive before the big bang, so that is impossible

to truly answer this though, i do believe that there is some form of alien life out there, and intelligent or not, they exist.

[Reach]

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No offense, but I think you're being a bit closed minded by suggesting that any spacefaring species would HAVE to be similar to us. We truly have no idea what strange forms and abilities aliens might have. Our own "cognitive" ability is a manifestation of a highly advanced nervous system. Who's to say that other sorts of organs couldn't develop in aliens, to a point that they become some defining characteristic to them which is unknown to us, just as we have our "intelligence"? There's no way to know... And that doesn't just mean species "billions of years more evolved than us" - why would they even have to go through our particular waypoint in evolution? What makes our particular flavor of cognitive skills so special compared to any other hyperadvanced (even to an entire different level) trait? It just so happens that humans are the only species on our own planet that we consider to have "transcended" the animals, by dint of our intelligence. But maybe that's just because decision-making and other cognitive skills (i.e. our nervous system) is the only thing that happened to evolve that highly among the species on Earth. We really can't say anything whatsoever about what alien life could be like.

-fs

I fail to see how you could function in a material world without proper apendages. The laws of physics arn't going to change my friend. Why do you think dolphins can't build anything even though they are highly intelligent? Are these aliens just going to go flying into space using their speghetti flappers?

They would have to be similar. They would require proper limbs, they would almost undoubtfully be non aquatic and would undoubtfully require a large brain to body mass ratio. They would have to use technology at it's highest level, finding ways to produce massive amounts of energy. I also can't see them being 'evil' 'destructive' beings either, or I don't see how they would have evolved to such a technological level.

I'm not talking about aliens in general, I'm talking about ones with the ability to visit our planet, because who the **** knows what weird **** exists in the universe.

But I mean, I suppose anything is possible XD

But again, the physics won't change. There are only so many ways to travel thousands of lightyears, and they all involve breaking the speed of light. I can't see some giant slimey 10 eyed ball of fat having mastered the force of gravity.