alternate universes what do you think?

[mattyohh]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

On a Documentary i saw it said that the meaning of life is pretty much to continue on the species. Which pretty much translates to sex. So in a way the meaning of life is to do the 'nasty'

[Z3ratul]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

I can agree with that Mattyohh. I've always found it interesting though, how humans seem to have risen above the more basic living instincts. Damn emotions and conscious thinking... even suicide. Bah. But yeah, living for 'the nasty' seems good enough for me. Ever hear of the ladder theory?

RaiRai, what do you believe as far as what lies (or doesn't lie) beyond death? And is that yourself in your avy? xD

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

We're just animals, except slightly more complex than most on our planet, with the illusion of free thought. Yes, we live for sex. Doesn't mean you have to live for sex (nothing wrong with that either), but that's why you're alive, to continue on the species.

About afterlife, I believe that anyone who suggests that they know or probably know what happens after we die is a total ignoramous. There is no possible way to know what happens; if we have life after this, if it's something entirely indescribable, uncomprehendable, and ethereal from our point of view, or if we're simply gone (not an inplausable suggestion by any means, I mean, you don't remember anything before your life, do you?)

Synopsis: Enjoy your life while you have it. You could die any goddamn second.

Also, to answer your last question:



Yes.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

The whole purpose of life and all complex systems is to destroy energy gradients. The more complex the life, the better this is done, hence evolution. The purpose of reproduction is to further produce other destructive organisms.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

Very possible, very plausable, MUCH more intelligent of a suggestion than any other random theories that have been presented in this thread...

... But stating it as if it's a definite fact is rather foolish of you.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

Considering how complexity arises from chaos in the presence of nothing more than an energy gradient, it's very likely. I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what the absolute truth is, but this whole discussion is merely a matter of speculation; nothing is to be taken as fact.

I only find this to be the most convincing argument in light of all the evidence I've seen. Plus, NET is rly kewl.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[-Izzy-]

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This thread sucks.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

This thread sucks.

Only if you're one of the 11-year-old fucksticks who I've been raping with logic.

Also, yeah, Guido, your suggestion has quite a bit of merit. All I was trying to say was something you just also stated straight out - nothing in a discussion like this is to be accepted as a fact.

[mattyohh]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

This thread sucks.

Is this because you are unable to understand what we are saying? Or is it just you being a attention slut?

Also Quido what about single cell organisms? They are simple lifeforms which are good at killing things for engery. They have not really changed all that much.

[Z3ratul]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

with the illusion of free thought

Elaborate on this please. Otherwise I seem to agree with you... I especially agree with your synopsis Rai... back to hedonism.

One thing- continuing the species might be why we exist, but it seems that humans (on the whole) seem to be less motivated than other species on this planet to procreate, and it seems more than coincidence that we're also (assumptively) the most intelligent. That's all I'm getting at.

And that picture wins teh internet.

Guido, I like your theory. The only problem I have with it is that dreaded 'e' word. Not to say I do or don't believe in it; it simply has too many inconsistencies that I've yet to have answered.

@ Izzy, explain your statement.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

I'll do what I can to try and answer them, Z3r, but you'd be best off asking a biologist. If it had significant holes it wouldn't be a scientific theory, but it is.

Still, though, the Second Law governs all; it's inescapable, so my proposition is only a logical following from that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

with the illusion of free thought

Elaborate on this please.

The idea here is that we are entirely products of our environment, and of chemicals and hormones, etc. Everything you do, everything you know, everything you think about is a product of everything else that's ever happened to you, along with human instinct.

For example, you can sit there and thing, and then think back through your train of thought to see why you thought of what you did. Everything you do follows patterns like that.

[Z3ratul]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

I agree with what you say Rai, as I've always thought that way too. But I just wonder that if everything in my life were to happen exactly as it did with the only factor not being 100% controlled is myself, would I (not myself exactly, but a copy) make EVERY single choice the same as I did this time around. If so... I can't help but be a little depressed when I think about that. I would like to believe, that to at least some extents, we have some choice.

EDIT: Guido, it's appreciated, but not really something I wanna worry myself with right now.

[mattyohh]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

This thread has really gone of topic. It's about Thorax's dumbass idea on alternate universes and now we are discussing evolution and the meaning of life.

I don't really see where a alternative universe would be it kind of hurts my head just thinking about it

[Charlotte21]

Re: alternate universes what do you think?

The whole purpose of life and all complex systems is to destroy energy gradients. The more complex the life, the better this is done, hence evolution. The purpose of reproduction is to further produce other destructive organisms.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Life and complex systems don't need purposes. They may have follow a certain similar pattern but that does not give them purpose.

To assume purpose is to humanize the universe, and the universe is not human.

Human intuition sees the progression of cause and effect, applies a certain level emotion to the natural laws, and then derives some desire for a purpose out of it, which is where the search for meaning comes from.

A simple example is that consider a baby just walking, with a developing intuition. Throw a ball across a room and the baby will stumble and chase it. 24 months later, the same child in the same situation will stop to see where the ball came from first. Our minds quickly mature to understand this concept of cause followed by effect.

The more developed intuition becomes, the farther it will draw lines of cause and effect. When it comes to ulimately ambiguous endings, it comes to the desire for a purpose. The mind doesn't truly mature until it realizes that purpose was never inherent. We want some overarching cause and some overarching effect to make things seem "complete" for us because we cannot fathom anything that functions outside cause and effect.

When we cannot draw a line we must not then break Occam's Razor (which I'm pretty positive is general knowledge in CT) and make unnecessary assumptions. The simplest explanation is that there is no purpose, and no meaning.

Purposes aren't necessary. Meanings aren't inherent. These are things fabricated by human intuition.

Nonetheless, I agree that according to the way things seem that the primary end result of all complex systems is destroyed energy gradients, but I must disagree that it is their "purpose".