Liberals, race, and religion

[chickendude]

Re: Liberals, race, and religion

now, if you distill some of the stuff you are saying, it may make sense, but right now it seems like a pile of crap.

1) About conservatism
While it is true that there are a bunch of crazy liberal people who try to blame all the nations problems on the president, there are some who don't have that view. I, myself, get annoyed by the people who are far too left wing liberal. They blame bush for everything. Those types of people are generally stupid, because they have no way of backing up anything they say. There are a bunch of liberals who don't share that opinion of conservatives.

2) Religion:
There isn't a drop of religion anywhere in my school (except when we speak about literature). Whenever there is anything about religion, it isn't any type of preaching. We see religion in our history class for example, because it caused a bunch of stuff in the past.
The only schools that preach religion are well.... religious schools.

My dad is an extremely religious (hindu) and overly conservative and it annoys me a lot. It's not that I don't see where he's coming from; It's that he refuses to listen to anything else. I can see why he would be pro-bush, but ists the way that he refuses to listen to what anyone has to say, that annoys me the most.

[jewpinthethird]

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Not like its just christians. If there was a drop of religion in my school i would ****ing kill them. Unlike you i dont just beleave whatever im told. if you want to been brainwashed from a child into beleaving the bible then go ahead. If you beleaved in the bible but found it on your own terms instead of someone telling you to beleave what they beleave just because otherwize your going to hell is just absurd. None of these christians really even beleave in the bible.

Are you being ironic by spelling believe that way?

[-Izzy-]

Re: Liberals, race, and religion

If you want

[purplepopcorn]

Re: Liberals, race, and religion

I figure most religions can be viewed in a couple different ways:

imaginary guidance that doesn't change and can be easily misunderstood - Christianity and Islam for example

guidelines, made by the people that change with the people - Buhddism for example

from tgb:




Anyway, you are the one being close-minded by thinking that all liberals are the same. Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I hate Bush or am a devout atheist, and it does absolutely NOT mean that I am racist against muslims because .01% of them are fundamentalists.

As for the scapegoat issue..

Who runs the funding for schools, military, libraries, hospitals and whatnot: The government.

Who made the decision to go to war with no support from outside countries and an unreasonable source for starting: The government.

Who has a majority of the congress, senate, and executive branch: Republicans.

Who has been convicted of a felony and a direct intrusion of American privacy, arming themselves with the power to open 1st class mail that belongs to American citizens and moniter all international phonecalls, and dismissing the charges claiming that the end justifies the means, and that they are above the law: George W. Bush.

I'm also not mentioning tax cuts, giving substancially less money to education, and direct communication with Jack Abramoff (sp)

he may not be the cause of all of our problems, but he sure did a hell of a lot of damage.

[-Izzy-]

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Things really arnt as bad as people think they are. people are probably just bored and need to complain about something.

[stretchypanda]

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If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, you can leave. You're just being antagonistic and trying to get someone upset with your anti-religious tripe. It speaks volumes to your maturity.

PS: I don't remember Dubya going to trial.

Not that I'm happy with him right now. Stupid financial aid cuts.

[-Izzy-]

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If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, you can leave. You're just being antagonistic and trying to get someone upset with your anti-religious tripe. It speaks volumes to your maturity.

PS: I don't remember Dubya going to trial.

Not that I'm happy with him right now. Stupid financial aid cuts.

You try and act mature but you are just pathetic. What kind of loser just ignores why their ideas wrong. Thats just total denial. So i can only contribute by agreeing with you? Thats like those stupid peta moron forums. You go their and explain why their ideas dont make any damn sense and they just delete your posts. And you cant just say things about how my ideas make me imature without saying anything else. You know what? your immature. **** you.

[stretchypanda]

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Wait, why are my ideas wrong?

If you care to have an intelligent conversation about my beliefs versus your beliefs, I'd be more than willing to humor you.

Instead, you call anyone who believes the Bible "brainwashed", and then you throw a tantrum when I call you immature.

You're not helping yourself.

[-Izzy-]

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Why do you think im having a tantrum? this thread means less to me then any random rock i could find. I dont need to help myself. But you sure do.

[stretchypanda]

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Then stop posting here. If I'm wrong and this means nothing to you, stop wasting your precious time.

And I'd definitely call this:

You try and act mature but you are just pathetic. What kind of loser just ignores why their ideas wrong. Thats just total denial. So i can only contribute by agreeing with you? Thats like those stupid peta moron forums. You go their and explain why their ideas dont make any damn sense and they just delete your posts. And you cant just say things about how my ideas make me imature without saying anything else. You know what? your immature. **** you.

a tantrum.

Now, I've already told you I'm more than willing to have a rational conversation with you about why you hate religion so much, but if you're going to sit back and tell me I'm an idiot and to **** off, I'd much rather you just take your wit back to the Garbage Bin.

[-Izzy-]

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I doubt you could have an intelligent conversation about religion anyways. Go ahead and try. I really want to know why you automaticly assume the bible is true. Enlighten me.

[MonkeyFoo]

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1. I find it just a little ironic that people are calling religious discrimination racism... cuz it's racist to presume that race determines religion.
2. Ouch, Panda. I'm an atheist, but I ain't no bandwagon-hopper. I stopped believing in God as soon as I realized, on my own, that only a few of the things I was hearing made much sense. I tend to regard a lot of the teachings of most religions, especially christianity, as good guidelines for living... but when I read the Bible I just laugh at the idea of following it devoutly today: Imagine treating disease by shutting the diseased up for three weeks and then pronouncing him unclean (Leviticus, with the law concerning leprosy). I won't go into other reasons why each religion in its complete form is silly...
3. Silly though the religions may be, I don't find that all their believers are brrainwashed. Many people follow a religion because it gives them hope. False? Maybe, maybe not. I may find my life difficult to deal with for not following a religion later in life. Most religions dictate a fairly clear-cut way to act and adjudicate morality (WWJD?). Without this, I rely on my own logic for all my decisions. Shouldn't be a problem, but at the least it could make life a little less secure and more stressful.
4. &@Panda: Wait a second, I thought you lived in Bald Knob, AR. Oh noes~
5. lol accusations =\= conviction
6. Wow, this list function is hella tite.
7. And Izzy, you have indeed been pwnx't, so please either learn to spell and create arguments rather than blatant assertions, or be done with this thread, because your comments have really become less than conducive to the debate (lol, syntax).

[-Izzy-]

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You cant just agree with me and then disagree with me. Im glad you actually though things threw about what those damn preists were telling you but then you just sit there and not try to explain the logical outlook on life. Yes i know the bible teaches morals and whatever but then people start to live by it and thats probably not even waht the point was.

I showed my points and all people do is just try and say your arguement is stupid and you have bad spelling. Pwned nothing. This girl cant give an arguement worth a damn.

[stretchypanda]

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Well, thank you for your hostility.

I'll thank you not to assume that just because I follow the Bible and believe in God that I never questioned my faith. Most everyone goes through trials of faith in their life, often more than once. I did. If you were born into any religion, obviously you did too, and you found different answers than I did.

If you have questions, ask them. I will do my very best to answer them. I answered your statement, let's continue.

[stretchypanda]

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[list=1][*]I find it just a little ironic that people are calling religious discrimination racism... cuz it's racist to presume that race determines religion.[*]Ouch, Panda. I'm an atheist, but I ain't no bandwagon-hopper. I stopped believing in God as soon as I realized, on my own, that only a few of the things I was hearing made much sense. I tend to regard a lot of the teachings of most religions, especially christianity, as good guidelines for living... but when I read the Bible I just laugh at the idea of following it devoutly today: Imagine treating disease by shutting the diseased up for three weeks and then pronouncing him unclean (Leviticus, with the law concerning leprosy). I won't go into other reasons why each religion in its complete form is silly...

Well, that was my own little bit of immaturity. One of my closest friends is atheist (I think?) and not because it was the cool thing to do in high school, but because he can't find good reason to believe in a God, and I'm cool with that. He's cool with me.
PS: Please don't point out something like treatments for medical conditions as a reason for finding the Bible silly. I realize that it isn't your only reason, but you must be aware that certain medical technologies did not exist in those times. For a long time, people believed that they fell ill because they had displeased God -- and they had a long list of plagues to prove them right. As for shutting off the "unclean" from others, they knew these diseases were contagious, and at the time uncurable, so lepers had to be isolated from those not afflicted.

[*]Silly though the religions may be, I don't find that all their believers are brrainwashed. Many people follow a religion because it gives them hope. False? Maybe, maybe not. I may find my life difficult to deal with for not following a religion later in life. Most religions dictate a fairly clear-cut way to act and adjudicate morality (WWJD?). Without this, I rely on my own logic for all my decisions. Shouldn't be a problem, but at the least it could make life a little less secure and more stressful.[*]&@Panda: Wait a second, I thought you lived in Bald Knob, AR. Oh noes~

Remember when I said I used to?

[*]lol accusations =\= conviction[*]Wow, this list function is hella tite.[*]And Izzy, you have indeed been pwnx't, so please either learn to spell and create arguments rather than blatant assertions, or be done with this thread, because your comments have really become less than conducive to the debate (lol, syntax).

Thank you.

Edit: I mutilated your list. Oops.