XBOX 360 is too expensive....

[lord_carbo]

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The Revolution looks to be Nintendo officially abandoning all common sense, if you want my personal opinion. They've decided that gimmicks are their thing, I guess, which pisses me right the hell off. Everything about the Revolution looked fantastic to me until they revealed it's UTTERLY STUPID controller.

NINTENDO:

I do not want to change the way I play games. YOUR stuff is the reason I like playing games in the format most console games are relased in already, you don't need to redefine what you guys perfected.

~Sincerely,
Casey C Lantz

Seriously, I'm tired with all of the "Revolution's controller sucks" crap I've been hearing. If you've ever picked up a TV remote in your damn life, that's what it is. Nothing complicated. Nintendo is "dumbing down" the regular controller so new generation players can get into gaming, while at the same time keep a shell so you can play in the traditional style.

Nintendo is a gaming company. They aren't going to add every single special feature in the world to enchance their system.

I guarantee Nintendo's release price is ~$200. I don't even care as long as the price of the console with a game is less than $1,000. That's the limit on my credit card that I will be using at 6AM on the day it is released.

Looks like I'm skipping all of my classes for that whole week.

~Squeek

I think I read somewhere that it was $200. I'm not gonna dig it up, though. If ya wanna try your luck on Gamespot, go ahead.

Personally, I don't know about you guys, but continuously playing the same game with a new title, new graphics, and a new storyline over and over again on a new console is going to get old soon. It really got set off when they 3-D'd everything, but there's nothing more you can do now. That's why Nintendo is adding yet another element to gaming. You won't have to just sit in a chair with a controller in your two hands pushing buttons with your thumbs. No. They're gonna change it and we're gonna love it.

It isn't really old at the moment, but it will get old soon. In all honesty, unless a game has a signifigance different gameplay than it's last, I'd probably considering getting it more than if it didn't. Systems these days focus too damn much on how their graphics look. I don't give a crap how good their graphics are if the games that uses those graphics blow.

[suicidalmuskrat]

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No price has been confirmed, but in a recent statement Reggie said that it will certainly be the least expensive of the 3.

Laharl, you realize there will be a standard shell? You realize this shell will still maintain all the tilt/3d space sensing as it did before? You realize that through attatchments this could be WHATEVER THE FUCK PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE. Anyways, just think there's no possible way to bash it at this point.

Also, why do people call the new controller a gimmick? Well actually I do. Because it is a gimmick. But they mean it in a negative way. When gimmick shouldn't really be seen as negative.
" An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance" So yeah, the revolution controller is as much a gimmick as the NES controller was. Nintendo is simply redefining what a remote can be capable. You can get all your old school games with the Rev. You can also get all the new and improved games. I just don't get how, at this point, people could be negative.

[Laharl]

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The Revolution looks to be Nintendo officially abandoning all common sense, if you want my personal opinion. They've decided that gimmicks are their thing, I guess, which pisses me right the hell off. Everything about the Revolution looked fantastic to me until they revealed it's UTTERLY STUPID controller.

NINTENDO:

I do not want to change the way I play games. YOUR stuff is the reason I like playing games in the format most console games are relased in already, you don't need to redefine what you guys perfected.

~Sincerely,
Casey C Lantz

Uh.

Nintendo's approach to games is as such:

"We're gonna make a console like we always have: One that plays games."

While on the other hand, Sony and Microsoft are trying to make their consoles like cellphones. They're trying to cram as many totally unecessary things in their consoles to beef up the price as humanly possible.

Nintendo's approach is to mix things up a little and, you know, TRY SOMETHING NEW. Just improving graphics is not enough. Even the head of the company said so. You could do that, but over time, it'll just be the same thing over and over again. And you'd lose interest among your fanbase.

And, unfortunately for you, your OPINION on the controller is yours and yours alone. I and many others think it has the potential to be the greatest thing to happen to the video game industry.

The Revolution is doing a lot of things right, namely that all the extra stuff you might want to get for the system, like Wi-Fi access, does not come standard so people who just want to play games can do so.

The controller idea is still HORRIBLE. Yes, it CAN be "whatever we want it to be", for extra money, which means game developers won't consider using whatever gimmicky add-ons Nintendo will release for their controller because the majority of gamers WON'T PURCHASE THE ADD-ONS. How do I know this? Look at the GameCube. The hoookups to use a GBA as a controller? Utilized by all of two games I can think of. The DK bongos? 3 games, all first party Nintendo. The GBA card reader for the GBA? GameStop hasn't even held them in stock in a long time because no one bought them.

Before you guys yell at me for being anti-Nintendo, get this: The Revolution is most likely the first next gen system I'll buy. I don't ever plan on getting a PS3, and I'll not get a 360 until they come down in price, which could be a year or two or three. I'm just looking at their next system for what it appears to be: a desperate gamble. They've tried the gimmick thing before and it hasn't caught on yet with the American audience, so I don't see why they expect their entire next gen console to run off one and be successful.

[evilbutterfly]

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Laharl has a point. I mean, how many people owned a Power Pad? And of the people who owned one, how many games did they have that actually used the Power Pad? Or that glove thing? Or a Virtual Boy? People don't like sudden ridiculous change. I mean, Nintendo is cool for going out on the edge and trying this, but if they keep it up they're gonna go the way of Atari and Sega and end up just making games, not consoles.

But, as Squeek so amusingly shows us, Nintendo will always have its fanboys that keep it alive somewhat. Also, they still pretty much dominate the portable market, so that'll give them more life, too. If they don't make another home console after this, I won't be too surprised. I will, however, be disappointed. Gamers may not like and accept Nintendo's ridiculous innovations, but because Nintendo comes out with them, Sony and Microsoft can see what people will like and copy Nintendo. I mean, come on. Nintendo had so much crap before anybody else, but they just did it weird. Rumble Packs, analog sticks (if I'm not mistaken), the PS controller design (sup SNES controller with 2 more shoulder buttons), the dual stick thing (look at Virtual Boy controllers), and other stuff I just can't think of. PS4 and X-Box3 (whatever the hell it's called) will undoubtedly have tilt sensitivity, especially if the Revolution is a success.

As for the actual topic of this thread: Buying a PS3 rather than an X-BOX 360 will be like buying a newer model sports car rather than a year-old minivan. Sure, the van may have better gas-mileage and more space for your kids and non-drivers and be more reliable, but the sports car is fucking sweet and go way faster and look cooler and pick up hot chicks, even though it may break down faster from being so eXtreme. The simple fact is, when the sports car only costs $100 or so more, people will buy the sports car.

However, I think it's hilarious how the fanboys have flip-flopped. When it was X-Box vs PS2, it was always "WELL X-BOX HAS BETTER GRAPHICS AND BETTER HARDWARE SO MEH!" and "WELL IT WAS RELEASED A YEAR LATER AND ISN'T EVEN THAT MUCH BETTER!! PLUS, GRAPHICS AREN'T EVERYTHING!" Now it's the other way around. Honestly, I think this is just Sony's way of smacking Bill Gates in the face with their huge dick.

[Squeek]

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Laharl, you honestly think that a new game which requires an add-on to the controller won't have it included?

You sadden me.

N64:

Starfox 64 Bundle - Comes with Rumble Pak.
Donkey Kong 64 Bundle - Comes with Expansion Pak just in case you didn't buy one.

I sincerely doubt the company who produced a game will hinder our ability to play the game. Even Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords could be played one player without the GBA link. And I believe Four Swords even came with a link cable when you bought it. The bongos came with Donkey Konga, obviously. And they were like 5-10 bucks for another one. When you buy DDR for PS2, do you get a pad?

Rediculous innovations? Try testing the waters. EyeToy was probably the most fun I have ever had playing a video game. Sure, it didn't do so well, but it was amazingly awesome when it came out. It was just poorly implemented. Sony is famous for allowing strange and innovative new games on its consoles. Try DDR, the entire basis of this website. Do you use a controller to play it? How about Pop'n? DrumMaster? EyeToy? Gosh, I can think of so many.

And it's not like the controller is the only way to play as we have pointed out before. For those who just can't stand to use the new controller, they have ports for the GCN controller in the top.

Trust me. Nintendo knows what they're doing. And, considering that they're trying something new and my envisioning of a future where videogames are still just button-pressing madness is really starting to scare me. Games shouldn't just be about how well you can press your thumbs down on buttons. They should, and can be, expanded into something much greater. That's why all these companies are putting out new Bemani games to please gamers who want to try something new.

~Squeek

[Kenzya]

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Nintendo's approach is to mix things up a little and, you know, TRY SOMETHING NEW. Just improving graphics is not enough. Even the head of the company said so. You could do that, but over time, it'll just be the same thing over and over again. And you'd lose interest among your fanbase.

True to life. That's what I said when I played the Xbox360. I was at Walmart kind of excited that I was playing Xbox360. Kameo loads up and I start playing. The graphics are better, I guess. That was all though, I was holding the same controller and looking at the same thing. There was nothing more, I could play this same exact game on Xbox if I really wanted to. I could garuntee you could find a game like this one on the Xbox.

N64 - 2D -> 3D. We start here. Dreamcast and PS2 improve the graphics. Realistically, more things can be done visually in games. Looking out over a mountain at miles of landscape you have to conquer and the like. We've exhausted all the new ideas here. We'll have things like better antialiasing, instead of new gaming possibilities.

I applaud the Revolution.

p.s. Nintendo has already done a showcase of the controller. While there are a few bugs to work out, the general consensus is that the controller is coo~ http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15143-2567-x-x-x

Oh, and don't categorize me. I hate the Gamecube and I'm against the Nintendo DS.

[Laharl]

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Laharl, you honestly think that a new game which requires an add-on to the controller won't have it included?

You sadden me.

N64:

Starfox 64 Bundle - Comes with Rumble Pak.
Donkey Kong 64 Bundle - Comes with Expansion Pak just in case you didn't buy one.

You forgot to mention those games were more expensive. The bundle that includes the necessary device to play the game is always more expensive and tends to not sell as well. I personally like to buy my $49.99 video game that kicks ass I don't need anything new to play than buy my $79.99 plus tax thing that needs something extra, unless I already know I'm a fan of that said thing, like say DDR. WHich brings me to your next point:

I sincerely doubt the company who produced a game will hinder our ability to play the game. Even Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords could be played one player without the GBA link. And I believe Four Swords even came with a link cable when you bought it. The bongos came with Donkey Konga, obviously. And they were like 5-10 bucks for another one. When you buy DDR for PS2, do you get a pad?

Four Swords came with A (as in one) link cable, and it also cost $10 extra over other games released around the same time. Both that and Chrystal Chronicales, single player, were pretty shallow games. They weren't very fun without the device that the game is built around. As for DDR, that is one of the few exceptions to the rule because it's all based off an arcade game. Arcade machines pretty much NEED gimmicks to make them work nowadays because people will just buy the regular games for their consoles. If it catches on enough in the arcades to warrant a home release, as DDR did, they can safely make an extra peripheral for just that one game because they know it will sell.

Rediculous innovations? Try testing the waters. EyeToy was probably the most fun I have ever had playing a video game. Sure, it didn't do so well, but it was amazingly awesome when it came out. It was just poorly implemented. Sony is famous for allowing strange and innovative new games on its consoles. Try DDR, the entire basis of this website. Do you use a controller to play it? How about Pop'n? DrumMaster? EyeToy? Gosh, I can think of so many.

I didn't care for the EyeToy, which I did have a chance to use quite a bit. The DK bongos were pretty cool (Jungle Beat is a super fun game), but it wasn't really worth the cash to get. And, like I said before, DDR was in arcades long before it came out on consoles. They knew it and a dance pad around it would sell because of the popularity of the arcade versions.

Your last point, I will say, entirely valid and I don't really have any counterpoint to it. Heh.

[Squeek]

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I guess we should pretty much conclude this until we actually get a hands-on with any of the three consoles since so much of it is in the dark as of right now.

Those games were normal prices near me. $50 for Starfox, $50 for DK, $50 for Konga, $50 for Four Swords. I wouldn't even pay $50 for those games though. It's very rare that I pay full price for a game. The final game I will ever spend $50 on during the era of the Gamecube is Twilight Princess of course. I have learned from experience that most of the games I spent $50 on weren't worth it and were huge mistakes. Soul Calibur II, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, etc. All wastes of my money. The games I'm proud to pay full price for were Super Smash Brothers Melee, Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 (though they were only 30 bucks each), and Tales of Symphonia. Heck. I would have paid $50 per disc on Tales. It was totally worth it.

If Xbox plans to release more games like Steel Battalion, they're gonna lose it soon. I never heard of anyone other than the super-rich hardcore gamers say more than "It's cool, but there's no way I'll get it." Yes, it was innovative, but at a huge cost. This wasn't your piddly 5 or 10 bucks extra (in some places). This thing is anywhere from $150 to $300. That's the cost of the system in some places. Innovation does not come at this cost, and Nintendo knows this. After all, they were pretty much the foundation of video gaming as it exists today.

~Squeek

[suicidalmuskrat]

Why did someone bring up the DK Bongos, or even the Eye-Toy. Stop thinking of the new controller like this. These were gimmicks designed for a single game (although I felt pretty special to be able to play 2 enjoyable games on the Bongos, when I entirely expected only 1). Also, How much do you expect PS3 and Xbox 360 games to cost? 59.99. How much do I expect a Revo game with an add-on to cost? 59.99. So people who want to create games around an add-on can still do so at a competitive price. This is not a gimmick, anymore than the NES controller was a gimmick with the d-pad. Or the N64 controller was with an analog stick. It's simply allowing us to better control games.

Laharl Wrote: "The Revolution is doing a lot of things right, namely that all the extra stuff you might want to get for the system, like Wi-Fi access, does not come standard so people who just want to play games can do so. "

Wi-fi is standard, out of the box. You have a wireless network in your house? Plug in the Revo and you're kicking someone's ass in Japan in SSB3.

Now let's pretend that only the confirmed attatchments will be released: The nunchuck and the shell. It can still do everything and more a standard controller can. So what's the problem Laharl?

EB, you should be shot for comparing this to a power-pad. Just like the Bongos and such, that was a simple attatchment. Nintendo is not telling you to control the fucking system with a guitar or a drum. It's allowing you to control A game with those, for cheap, and with ease. This is a controller. Get it through your heads. A CONTROLLER. Just like Sony and MS, just more capable.

I mean, even if the console completely sucked ass. I'd still by one, to encourage innovation. It's the only way to keep games fresh in the long run.

[87x]

#1 Selling point of the Xbox360:
We got updated Xbox Live. Which is the greatest acheivement of modern games. If Nintendo or Sony wants to stand up to it, they are going to have to implement a better online service. Sony already announced that the failed at this so really, Nintendo is the only one that has a chance.

Btw, Sony is going to bomb huge this go around on the consoles.

[esupin]

Look, everyone...

We all know that we'd take any console for free, so there is no real point in bashing console xyz.
Who knows, maybe in some sick twist of fate you'll end up owning one next year(like how I, DC fanboy, won a PS2 in a raffle).

[Omeganitros]

Esupin: Make your sig smaller by cropping out all the white around the picture, and you'll have the best Signature in these forums. Your avatar could be better, though.

[esupin]

I just realized this now. All my other posts were on the white background, so I couldn't tell.

[Omeganitros]

Look at how well XBOX Live did. It's obvious that online play is hugely important to gamers of all types.

Of course. But we're talking about a unified online system here. It's already known that PS3 will obviously have online games.

Peronsally, though I guess Xbox LIVE will seem more attractive, it really shouldn't cripple Sony. Look at PC games. Completely forgetting about Steam (and Gamespy, which I had for a while), all of my PC games that have online multiplayer are not combined under one sytem. RTCW: Enemy Territory has it's own thingy. UT2K4 has it's own thingy. C&C: Red Alert 2 has it's own thingy. They're fine.

[87x]

I tell you now, Xbox live is the number 1 single most reason why xbox is going to dominate this upcomming battle. The unified system is easier to deal with, slicker looking, and more advanced than anything out there today. It's like what was said earlier, Its got all these new features like a cellphone. Well, The more advanced cell phones are celling more than the old ones with no features. Thats because EVERYBODY loves new features. The whole world is based on this system. Everything that comes out is either a new idea, or something remade better than it was before. And you know what? Everyone that needs a sewing machine is going to go out and get one with cross stiching, Manual Feed, Work light, and some other shit. I guarantee they won't go out and get one with a pedal or wheel they are going to have to turn by hand to make the machine work.

Online play is the future of gameing and all the developers know it. If sony doesn't do anything about there online situation they are going to bomb.