TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I realize i worded that pretty crap, I meant to say why are you thinking about voting DBP here, and do you not agree with sunfan that zenith being alive would cause issues

What's going to be the biggest roadblock next phase ? That's where my mind is at.


I don't think I solve this game with Zenith's flip.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I live in a world where DBP/Shado is very likely to be W/T and I want that solved more than Zenith's slot if there's a change Zenith's slot solve itself next phase with someone new or himself.

I dont like the very annoying pseudo angleshoot that we have to keep zenith alive for a possible replacement, this reason is a lot more palatable

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I might vote DBP here.

btw, Roundbox had to edit votecount 'cause bugkid had a vote on both DBP and Zenith.

That was confusing me a bit.

wait a bit before voting I want sunfan to explain

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

What's going to be the biggest roadblock next phase ? That's where my mind is at.


I don't think I solve this game with Zenith's flip.

So pretty much you want to solve your pairings and interactions to make the next days possible and leave zenith till the end?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

lmao i was not disappointed with the use of bold letters and size maxed font

that is NOT max size, max size felt silly for some reason
(hit preview post, apparently there's a cap
interesting)

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

sunfan the more I think about it the less I want a zenith lynch here

I think DBP is the right move

vetoed

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

So pretty much you want to solve your pairings and interactions to make the next days possible and leave zenith till the end?

Is Zenith supposed to be a higher priority than that for mechanical reasons ?

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

tldr; yeah I want to solve my pairings.

I guess Zenith's flip would help 'cause I doubt Shado would W/W with him due to previous EoD.
So, in a way it would solve DBP/Shado as well to some extent.

If he flips town, I'm kinda back to zero.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Is Zenith supposed to be a higher priority than that for mechanical reasons ?

No.

There are no mechanics for mountainous other than the more counterwagons you are on the worse you look.

So he looks kind of bad from the perspective and the fact he has ghosted this entire phase, but nothing else that i can think of

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

vetoed

explain my guy. the "mechanical forced blah" doesn't cut it here.
I'll be 100% honest, my tinfoil world is DBP/sunfan/freezin and I feel like following you on Zenith is gonna be the literal death of me

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I'm starting to wonder if DBP/botchi will show up for EoD.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I think im semi resetting my reads, the only 2 players i still think are town and off the table today are sunfan and haku. I will probably only clear other people if they pass the vibe check from now till eod. Anyone else is a potential target

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

so I said earlier I'd explain the structural case against DBP and I want to do that now before EOD while I have the chance. thus far, his major moves this game have exclusively been anti-town, and near optimal wolf plays if wolf. with that said, town can make mistakes, so I tried to focus in on the moves themselves and figure out if they came from a genuine town perspective.

starting with D0, the progression of his reasoning for steering the wagon onto and mislynching benguino:
post

#439. DBP rescinds his mic drop/wet fart and pivots to "the freezin/ben interaction is wolf theater."

#448 he finds a specific ben post where ben said his read on someone depends on sunfan's opinion and calls it "very smelly."

#518 he says "I think I'm locking in on benguin."

I posted in #541 that I was worried about a ben lynch because all my reasons for it were associative and there was no wolf flipped to draw actual association from. DBP responded directly to that post in #549 and provided a framework for why the associations didn't matter as much. he said ben was specifically "couching" all his reads, always hedging, always keeping an exit: "I think X might be town, but I want to hear what sunfan has to say." "This person might be a wolf, but maybe X is instead." "If X is town, then Y is a wolf." he argued this was preemptive wiggle room, not genuine uncertainty.

then #555 he escalates it to the "escape hatch" framing, basically arguing ben's entire posting pattern was strategic maneuvering: "If a CFD happens on a bug wagon, then Ben can always 'safely' vote star instead." "If bug is town, then H&H is a wolf." "This is clear as day to me. IDK why no one else is noticing these things."
at this point, he had essentially cleared bug for the day so the failure to follow up with a vote or push on H&H seems weird.

zenith immediately responded in #565: "I didn't until you pointed it out in this way." the two of them validated each other's case on ben in real time

the connection between DBP and zenith in D0 matters for D1. DBP came into D1 with three votes on him between star, bugkid, and sunfan. he posted his will (#1013): "Im dead so here's where im at... ill at least leave a will." then "use your votes, cowards" (#1020). then when sunfan told him his despair seemed fake because zenith was dead if he just voted there, he said "I actually do but I'm beyond that despair" (#1024).

by VC #1044 he had no votes on him at all (haku moved to botchi, bugkid moved to botchi, sunfan moved to zenith), but he kept performing his dying man act til the final hammer
when he finally gave up the NV he had held throughout all of D1, he joined the zenith wagon briefly, probably because sunfan had given him an out that he couldn’t ignore, but as soon as the HnH wagon became viable, he ditched it. I saw the switch happen and moved back to zenith to put it in KitB.
HnH flipped town. zenith survived. and DBP's D2 agenda (#1058) was "revisit botchi, revisit xelnya, resolve freezin and shado." zenith isn't on it.

last thing: reading through EoD, his vibe does not seem to carry the same crazy frenzied EoD rush “WHAT ARE WE DOING” feeling that I think all of town is feeling in those moments

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Hey guess what, it's exactly the two players I wanted to vote out in the past 2 phases and couldn't.

How coincidental. It's almost like they're wolves or something.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

also bugkid and DBP are never W/W and I trust their read on DBP especially. star flipped town and she had railed against DBP and "Thunderdomed" him and only changed at the end result of their own self-stated 3AM paranoia