TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Yo, still catching up on this most recent page of stuff, but I just wanted to say poor raeko man. It's so out of left field that I'm fairly confident someone thought they got a PR read and went for it so I'm sure we can find something like that in her iso. I know I forgot to breadcrumb a little before EoD so I'm interested to see if she left some form of legacy in her near-eod posts.

I also want to just outright say my itinerary this phase, which is to iso raeko immediately, and then from there I want to scope out the wagons. Ben might've also left some legacy breadcrumbs somewhere so I want to take a closer look at what he was cooking (or not cooking since y'all took him out back). After that I should probably organize a reads list cause I haven't done one yet, and then idk this is as far as my current planning goes.

rip raeko (the meta lives on!)

[star-crossed]

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To better understand bugkid's mindset, picture yourself entering a game where you don't know any of the players.
You'd be able to point a few things out here and there, but it would be difficult to bring on the table good observations until the 2nd or 3rd phase. Bugkid is imo underestimated for reads mid game. I think that's where they shine the most.
The playstyle seems to not take into account the risk of getting voted out early. So, wolves tend to take advantage of that for "not meeting expectations" which would normally associated with how veterans play.

At same time, if bugkid is so "not good enough" at solving then what are we ?
There's some hypocrisy going on here.

It's like we haven't learned to accept that other players can play differently.
Ben is a good example here. It's like he needed to make a plead of not being able to solve due to struggles with identifying wolves or something. I'm not even sure what would have worked here.

It's like every player is a mini game where you need to guess if they're playing their mini game or pretending to rather than playing the same mini game as everyone else.


In a game like this, it's almost like we'd have to sit down together, look at each player and consider this somehow.

To be clear, I have played with bugkid at least a couple of times. So a bit of the reason I ended up leaving a vote there, is that I have in the past had better first impressions of Bug. There are also people in my untrusted pool that I think are less likely to kind of get protected by others if they are showing signs of being town at end of day, so if I'm stuck leaving a d0 vote somewhere without all info that will be available at day end, it seemed safer.

The lack of solveyness concern was about botchi and was a query to bugkid about their botchi read.

[botchi246]

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I hope anyone with less than 30 posts finds the time to post a little more because that's starting to be a huge roadblock here to come to conclusions that has a chance to be right.

Talking about Zenith/botchi/Xel/H&H.

@botchi
Please address the voting part and where you're at now.

@Xel / Zenith
Pls just give reads or general vibes so I can have a better idea of your headspace.

@H&H
If you can look into the ben interactions for the "info" you wanted, that'd be great.

i was present for eod, but i was in the process of writing a response plus my vote, when i got distracted by the clusterf that happened at eod.

i was going to vote ben. i was hesitant to cast it because we were at eod and i didnt wanna insta. so many votes were getting put out at that time, i couldnt keep up.

i understand me not voting is a problem. i dont think its that big a problem in this context, because my vote was going to come in so late anyways. still my fault, my bad. i understand i disappointed sundad. my apologies to town


first thoughts: i dont know why sunfan was pushing to vote on me so hard. if i were to flip, what information would u get other than that im town?

and then freezin jumped on that wagon real quick (which he explained), but then sunfan changed his vote last second, presumably to save star from last second wagon and because star has more value in the game alive than ben does( brutal)

I voted ben to stop star from dying and to progress the game. I think it was unlikely that ben would avoid being at least somewhat solidly scumread in the next phase, at minimum. I think star will be heavily scrutinized today, and her alignment more positively determined.

I think this is true.

[botchi246]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Yo, still catching up on this most recent page of stuff, but I just wanted to say poor raeko man. It's so out of left field that I'm fairly confident someone thought they got a PR read and went for it so I'm sure we can find something like that in her iso. I know I forgot to breadcrumb a little before EoD so I'm interested to see if she left some form of legacy in her near-eod posts.

I also want to just outright say my itinerary this phase, which is to iso raeko immediately, and then from there I want to scope out the wagons. Ben might've also left some legacy breadcrumbs somewhere so I want to take a closer look at what he was cooking (or not cooking since y'all took him out back). After that I should probably organize a reads list cause I haven't done one yet, and then idk this is as far as my current planning goes.

rip raeko (the meta lives on!)

a pr read? what pr are you talking about

[botchi246]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

what does pr stand for in this context

[star-crossed]

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the reason i didnt respond to it is for pretty much the exact reason you mentioned above in bold. i have gotten too defensive in the past and that has put a lot of suspicion on me. i also didnt feel there was any real content in what hatred said about me that i could meaningfully respond to, especially since he even admitted himself that his suspicion was likely due to differing playstyles.



reflecting back on it, its less that i read him as super towny and more that i definitely didnt read him as super scummy. i'm about neutral on him at the moment. i will say him not voting is trending him down for me

lol, radical honesty in para 1. I'll let that sit with me

[botchi246]

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I'm worried about a ben lynch given that all the reasons I want to vote him are based on association and "he gives info" but it's d0 and there's no wolf flipped to draw actual association from

vote is on ben

unvote this may be the most genuine thing you've written all game

shado removes vote on ben becuz freezin believes sunfan, by extension shado believes sunfan, yet shado u go on to say u will choose ben over star

the consistency is wanting here. i guess you were on ben the whole time, but waiting on wagons to flesh out
not a big fan of the wishy washy, makes me think you want to jump on someone who seems town and follow along

I'm feeling pretty blegh tonight so I'm gonna call it on any serious reading of EoD and wagonomics for the night

we wait

[botchi246]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

i am so wrong shado, your vote was on freezin

[botchi246]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

vote is on ben

shado removes vote on ben becuz freezin believes sunfan, by extension shado believes sunfan, yet shado u go on to say u will choose ben over star

the consistency is wanting here. i guess you were on ben the whole time, but waiting on wagons to flesh out
not a big fan of the wishy washy, makes me think you want to jump on someone who seems town and follow along


we wait

let me fix this
shados vote started on freezing, then unvote, then ben wagon.
i thought that you were flip flopping on ben, so that consistency argurment is invalid.

but you believed freezin who believed sunfan, this still seems like you want to follow town around.

[_Zenith_]

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a pr read? what pr are you talking about

Not that there is a PR, but they must've felt like she was as threatening as one, or they think by killing her it'd implicate some random VT, or they could've RNG'd but either way I'm not going to spend more time explaining my misspoken moment or theorycrafting why they killed her.

Time is better spent on why she died

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

the sun fan

[botchi246]

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let me clarify somethins about my playstyle, i dont like meta, i dont like established playstyles based on alignment

i like playing the game and reading it as it evolves. i try not to think about how people have played in other games.
this could partly be why my play has seemed lack luster, it takes a bit to collect enough info to do anything with, especially in a game of this size and activity.

and also, if i dont take time to organize in my brain, i make stupid mistakes. like that previous post where i counted shadowolfe's vote wrong.

i hate that im taking time to even say this. does it actually help anyone?

[botchi246]

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Not that there is a PR, but they must've felt like she was as threatening as one, or they think by killing her it'd implicate some random VT, or they could've RNG'd but either way I'm not going to spend more time explaining my misspoken moment or theorycrafting why they killed her.

Time is better spent on why she died

raeko could have died because yall meta read each other town, and that could be a perfect way to get your kill on her zenith

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

raeko could have died because yall meta read each other town, and that could be a perfect way to get your kill on her zenith

Ah true, forgot to think about that.

You got me, detective!

[botchi246]

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botchi was 100000% a better kill yesterday than ben, though

as usual, I really didn't have any solid scumreads on d0, I was just frustrated at a multitude of things

explain this please sunfan, as well as anyone else who thinks this is right.

what does my flip do for you sunfan? given my amount of activity and my posts and my meta i guess

its literally the first phase, and i was far from super active, so..what gives?

and freezin, you belive in sunfan strongly enough from d0 to parrot his votes????