Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

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  • sff_writer_dan
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2020
    • 135

    #31
    Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

    Originally posted by PBR420
    What's wrong with just using the kids name instead of pronouns? If the kid doesn't like their name they can just provide a nickname or something that the teacher can use instead. And if there is a situation where a pronoun must be used no matter what "they" works for everyone.
    Virtually every piece of legislation on this also forbids you using "not their legal name" as part of anti-trans policymaking. They're sometimes written so vaguely that technically calling somebody named Michael "Mike" would actually be a violation, but the extremely obvious intention is to forbid trans and gender non-conforming kids to use a name that doesn't match society's assumptions of the masculinity or femininity of a name relative to the sex assigned at birth of the kid.

    Also imagining how ridiculous "just use the kid's name" is in practice. "Okay class, Dan is going to present Dan's project now. Let's all give Dan our attention, and then when Dan's finished, if anybody has any questions for Dan about Dan's work, they can ask Dan."

    Also, the thing about using 'they' is that once you know somebody's pronouns, if they're not "they/them" you're now misgendering them. And while your average cis kid mostly doesn't really care if you say 'them' or not (but see how many average boys would be fine with 'she/her' funny how some pronouns are "fine" and some "aren't" even for cis people) but trans kids deal with enough garbage from every direction that the misgendering might be less painful when it's 'them' it's still shitty for no necessary reason.

    A kid at my nephew's school told everybody that his name was going to be (Not going to say the actual one, just in the bizarre case that it somehow allows people to identify the kid) but something like "Duderino" and everybody was like "Okay" and they just...called him Duderino for a while, students, teachers, parents, and it was fine. He eventually decided to go back to using his birth name, but it was a couple months of just calling him what he wanted, and nothing bad happened. What's wrong with just talking to people how they want?
    Last edited by sff_writer_dan; 03-4-2023, 03:15 PM.

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    • PBR420
      FFR Player
      • Aug 2022
      • 8

      #32
      Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

      ^I didn't know nicknames are illegal too jeez wtf. fair point on the pronoun thing but there should be some loopholes... i'm just spit ballin here ya'll so don't take me too seriously lol.
      Last edited by PBR420; 03-4-2023, 04:15 PM.

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      • sff_writer_dan
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2020
        • 135

        #33
        Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

        Originally posted by PBR420
        I didn't know nicknames are illegal too jeez wtf. fair point on the pronoun thing but there should be some loopholes... i'm just spit ballin here ya'll so don't take me too seriously lol.
        It's not "nicknames are illegal" it's "in the name of being anti-trans, they've said you can't call a kid a preferred name unless it matches the one in the school's documents" and in their haste to stop you calling a trans guy a boy's name, they didn't bother realizing that technically 'nicknames' are also a preferred name that isn't the one in the school documents.

        That's not intentional on their part, they're happy for Richards to be Rick and Jennifers to be Jenny, but they are so bad at their jobs, that to stop somebody whose legal name is Richard from being Jennifer, they've screwed it up.

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        • PBR420
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2022
          • 8

          #34
          Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

          ^I get what you're sayin. Isn't it crazy how such a small number of people can just be like "yo here's some new bs laws and we expect you all to follow them" which most people will because control by fear works pretty good (sadly).
          Last edited by PBR420; 03-4-2023, 04:15 PM.

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          • sff_writer_dan
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2020
            • 135

            #35
            Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

            Originally posted by PBR420
            I get what you're sayin. Isn't it crazy how such a small number of people can just be like "yo here's some new bs laws and we expect you all to follow them" which most people will because control by fear works pretty good (sadly).
            These are the same people proposing laws to forbid trans girls from playing girl's sports when there are literally 0-1 actual trans girls playing girls sports in the whole state. Millions of dollars of tax money going into paying the people who want to keep one or in some cases zero kids away from something that literally does not matter at all.

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            • Black_Shield
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              • Mar 2016
              • 160

              #36
              Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

              they could bring back co-ed sports for high school.


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              • diddleysquin
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                • Apr 2009
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                #37
                Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                Originally posted by Lights
                If you walk up to me and you misgender me out of nowhere, not knowing anything about me- im not going to be thrilled about it, but im not going to hold it against you. The response would be to correct it afterwards and now hey- we're on the same page, conversation can resume. If airport security or any other random stranger makes that mistake, its not going to be the end of the world (so long as they're not going out of there way to be jerks about it). -///- After a couple corrections, thats going to stick with you.

                Believe me, if things like legal name changes / sex changes weren't prohibitively expensive and complicated to perform, I'd love to get my own personal documentation updated. But unfortunately, some places can tend to make that rather hard to do. This is something that I personally believe should be addressed, but in the meantime- it doesn't hurt to take the time to remember the pronouns of someone you're going to see more than once. paperwork or not.
                This, exactly and all of this is precisely what I wanted to add to this conversation.
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                • sff_writer_dan
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 135

                  #38
                  Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                  A trans friend of mine, in addition to the cost of application for a legal name change, also had to appear in court and tell a judge exactly why she wanted to change her name, and he had the power to just go "no" if he wanted to.

                  And when you look at the state of the court system in most places in the US, I don't think that's necessarily a given that they'll approve it.

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                  • drizzleRomanceGirl
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                    • Oct 2012
                    • 2963

                    #39
                    Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                    it's so sad about all the trans youth these kind of bills affect and how many more children might fall into depression and not be able to get the care they need
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                    • Shunised
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                      • Apr 2022
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                      #40
                      Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                      Country of freedom, huh? WHERE'S THE FUCKIN FREEDOM??














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                      • DossarLX ODI
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                        • Mar 2008
                        • 15004

                        #41
                        Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

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                        • ToonE156
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                          • Jul 2021
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                          #42
                          Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                          one of my good friends IRL is a socially transitioned male so I kinda feel bad for him seeing these bills. I really hope that none of these actually go through cause they are stupid.
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                          • XCV
                            has nice tits
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 744

                            #43
                            Re: Anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation staying lowkey but with big impact

                            People have been using Christianity as a realpolitik delivery mechanism going back all the way to Constantine. I've sort of become desensitized to it --- just business as usual, people hating us for no definable reason. It sounds bad, but after your own parents kick you out and find you disgusting there's not much to do but get used to it.

                            If you, like me, are a trans person in the US you should strongly consider learning how to shoot in case it ever comes up. I think if we have to conceal-carry then things have gotten quite bad indeed, but given the slope we're rolling down (my home state of Kentucky recently introduced the mother of all anti-trans bills, which I'm not going to look up because I don't want to think about it right now) you have to figure there's a good chance we'll get there.

                            Some time ago I posted in the fiffer Discord about my fear of getting lynched in public and a friend I won't name was like, "yeah that's the same thing non-white people negotiate every day." Food for thought.

                            Solidarity, y'all.

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