[YoshL]

plop megapost comments:

I'm not getting the usual paranoia I get about sunfan this game. First off, we're getting mindmelds out the wazoo. I'm right there with him about being cautious about yoshl, I was right there with him about how an ule lynch would lead to more or less no information and how the role/mechanics discussion shouldn't be so frowned upon, and I'm right there with him about how everyone seems to look past freezin without any substantial reason to.

I don't like these reasons. First off, being cautious of me shouldn't be a read to mindmeld off of
Second off, ule lynch yielding no info and discussing role mechanics has been talked about already and isn't a read to mindmeld off of
Noticing people looking past freezin is also not a read to mindmeld off of.

more or less, those aren't opinions.

I think too many of his points come across as disingenuous.

For one, I sense he's moving towards a scumread on haku for haku's flip-flopping and stuff like his big wall of quotes that were more commentary mode than fresh insights. Haku having the tendency to swap around his reads or just post a lot of stuff that's more thinking out loud has been brought up quite a few times this game, yet it hasn't influenced yoshl's read, nor has he reached out to others about it for clarification. His case against xiz for thinking too much on who the best target is at the moment rather than what he can do to get more info to make a better informed lynch also didn't seem right since I feel like xiz was still in the “EOD is tonight” mindset. Casting shade on sunfan for telling people not to blindly townread him for tone and analysis seems fishy to me too...I can understand how that'd be frustrating if yoshl's town and people are reading him right and for the right reasons, but I don't think sunfan's take is wrong either, and I think yoshl would understand that and try to approach sunfan from that angle.

If you're still caught up on me being annoyed at sunfan, it's purely because the *ONLY* argument that's been cast by him is "oop he's not POE, and he can do this as a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and like, even from reviewing thread, still hasn't pushed forwards anything. you're pushing a narrative where i'm upset at "hey you should examine yoshl as scum", where it's more of "yoshl can do this as scum so therefore be careful!!!1!!"
I don't really understand your xiz point, and yes, Haku making a fuckton of posts in thread that are one liners really doesn't influence me in the slightest, because the quality of the thoughts doesn't cut it.

I think the worst points of plop's post is generally putting way too much faith in meta. Like call me out all you want, but "this person flip flops their reads all the time as town" is not a valid reason for me to say "yeah sure he's town", disregarding actual game info. Haku's actual post history still is pretty firmly wolfy to me - it's actually not hard to sit in thread and throw out a bunch of worlds that don't include you because you know they're wrong, and keep the narrative away from you. It looks more like you're still sitting on earlier game info if you think that soley a commentary post in d0 is the cornerstone of my reads.

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hi subaru

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i'm largely ignoring shadow god's commentary posts because i literally never vote him

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oho it's a freezin post
tbh i don't have too much to comment, other than i think sunfan eventually said that he intended to be on tforce in the end as well??

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

ill care more about yoshl once he shows his hand and reveals who hes gunning for today and i can cross reference that with his progression
until then im just sitting here reading his wall post thinking "yep those are things that happened and i could see why youd think that"

out of the 3 strongest wolf leans i have in sunfan, haku, tforce, i think tforce just outright is doing the least to assuage anyone's fears, or make pseudo attempts to solve and play - i could always be wrong on my reads of actions and things that are happening in this phase, but in t-force's case, it's kinda fucked

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#1359 from sunfan, i think this is one of the clearest pictures for raeko townread and feels hella genuine.

self realization: to be COMPLETELY honest, i got stuck in sunfan wolf mode, and probably have to reread sunfan (and haku, and t-force) in a "wait what if they're town" mode lol. I don't think much will change with t-force (because again, there's just not even much to begin with)

#1371 is actually super hella appreciated tbh

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Also something about my wolf game that you might have forgotten sunfan but I tend to make longer posts vs when I am town
I notice YoshL doing that rn

@Raeko, I think it's a little much to apply self-meta to other people - i think especially because I haven't twg'd in forever, and this is my only way of catching up to thread while keeping myself semi-coherent and being able to process game info right now (because i have much less time for twg than i did in the past, i can't sit around being top poster anymore hehu)

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i see a t-force post at #1412 and i want to get these thoughts in to give em time to sit tbh