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  • Duskfall
    FFR Player
    • Oct 2019
    • 0

    #3271
    Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

    Originally posted by Hakulyte
    I'm just a lot more confident hitting a wolf outside of PRs in this game.

    Also unfortunate for you that we haven't played together before because that makes me not trust my tone read on you consistently.
    Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched

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    • Duskfall
      FFR Player
      • Oct 2019
      • 0

      #3272
      Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

      It also means that him being alive makes sense, because if scum shoot someone and it is not in the blocker questions get asked, so the only people scum dbp can actually shoot is p much mml, assuming mml is town. I think that is noteworthy and i just realised that

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      • Hakulyte
        Galaxy Collapse says hi
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #3273
        Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

        Originally posted by Duskfall
        Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched
        I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

        Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.

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        • ShadoWolfe
          FFR Player
          • Jun 2009
          • 171

          #3274
          Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

          Originally posted by Duskfall
          @shadowolfe the only person that i referenced dead players on was dbp, and i feel like i have already talked about him a lot and my read on him is pretty clear
          And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played

          Originally posted by Duskfall
          Also wrt to listening to dead player's reads mafia is a team game and trying to do everything on your own is bad play, there is no reason to not take account of other people's thoughts
          I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.





          Originally posted by Hakulyte
          I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
          Originally posted by XelNya
          " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
          Originally posted by YoshL
          "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
          Originally posted by mellon_collie
          "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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          • Duskfall
            FFR Player
            • Oct 2019
            • 0

            #3275
            Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

            Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.
            The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

            Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all

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            • Hakulyte
              Galaxy Collapse says hi
              • Jul 2005
              • 4697

              #3276
              Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

              Originally posted by Duskfall
              The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

              Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all
              Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

              I obviously need help for solving this.

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              • Duskfall
                FFR Player
                • Oct 2019
                • 0

                #3277
                Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played



                I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.
                I was mostly saying that because people said I was impossible to townread and I was disputing that fact because others have

                But yes dead townies are dead for a reason listening to what they say is good, consistently all the people townreading me dying is a good look for me and I'm not afraid to say that because it is stupid to not point out something that might prevent my lynch when my lynch would lose the game

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                • ShadoWolfe
                  FFR Player
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 171

                  #3278
                  Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  Yeah because it's the only way I can explain the night actions.



                  The moment I choose to believe you, the night actions don't make sense unless it's exactly ShadoWolfe/Bolth/Jessie.
                  .. What?
                  From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?





                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                  Originally posted by XelNya
                  " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                  Originally posted by YoshL
                  "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                  Originally posted by mellon_collie
                  "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                  • Duskfall
                    FFR Player
                    • Oct 2019
                    • 0

                    #3279
                    Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                    Originally posted by Hakulyte
                    Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

                    I obviously need help for solving this.
                    Resolving both worlds is good I don't expect you to think I'm obvious town and dbp is obvious scum im just showing you this world exists and you should consider it

                    I can't really get mad at people for being wrong on reading me considering i haven't tried this game, I ma easily tilted as a person so I can be kinds toxic (sorry not like that outside of game). Trust me I get the fact people want to lynch me, arguably on policy but it's up to me show people how they can townread me and how they can scumread dbp, evaluating the world that I believe to exist.

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                    • ShadoWolfe
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 171

                      #3280
                      Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                      Originally posted by Duskfall

                      I don't really do well with "yo generic question here dusk what are all your reads", I feel like I have given up where I am at rn. If you want to engage in a conversation with me it is a lot more effective to pose more specific questions, because I find them more interesting and easier to answer. I do really think just typing up whole readlists aren't great and it is easy to waffle a reason to read everyone when you aren't focusing on one point.
                      OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?





                      Originally posted by Hakulyte
                      I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                      Originally posted by XelNya
                      " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                      Originally posted by YoshL
                      "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                      Originally posted by mellon_collie
                      "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                      • Hakulyte
                        Galaxy Collapse says hi
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 4697

                        #3281
                        Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                        Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                        .. What?
                        From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?
                        I tend to assume that wolves had little reason to no kill and I know I'm not a thing with MML.
                        It's also funny to note that no one seems to want to entertain MML blocking "wolf me".
                        It's like you guys know I rolled town.

                        You're basically forcing me to try to believe in a sub optimal scenario where DBP no kill on purpose.
                        This is super awkward if true.

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                        • Hakulyte
                          Galaxy Collapse says hi
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 4697

                          #3282
                          Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                          Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                          OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?
                          Jessie because you thought Bolth/me was reasonable.

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                          • Hakulyte
                            Galaxy Collapse says hi
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 4697

                            #3283
                            Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                            There's a low chance it's Bolth, but that probably won't be solved this phase.

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                            • Hakulyte
                              Galaxy Collapse says hi
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 4697

                              #3284
                              Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                              Well, okay, if I look at posterity, there's a decent chance it's Bolth because Xiz/FG said so and DBP would have told him to try to pocket me or something.

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                              • Duskfall
                                FFR Player
                                • Oct 2019
                                • 0

                                #3285
                                Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

                                Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                                OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?
                                I think it is a good look for mml and haku because yesterday/earlier depends on timezone, dbp came into thread trying to force my lynch but not voting me, then he kind of reached out to mml and haku trying to get votes on me. To me this is scum trying to see can he confindently get me lynched and what votes are available, because this was before we ever crossed. Following this logic I believe haku and mml are slightly town spewed so probably not partners.

                                Which would be as leetic is town cleared cop person thing, that final 2 scum live in bolth/jessie/you

                                Obviously I haven't liked bolth for a while so I would be happy to lynch him next and send you and jessie to f3

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