TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

I'd much rather not read this bullshit, and I'm still impressed that you managed to navigate your way through the reread, Phil. Granted you had less posts to deal with, but this is some shit.

[TWG Agent S]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

cole and flurry are next on my list what what

precisely my thought, thank you what what

also agreeing with Cole that I do not at all believe agent s thought that's what bussing meant what what

Sure, Whatever I say.

[TWG Cherry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

news flash agreeing with him on shit doesn't automatically clear him from my lynching list what what

I still very much want to lynch him after you

[TWG Agent S]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

news flash agreeing with him on shit doesn't automatically clear him from my lynching list what what

I still very much want to lynch him after you

Still some awkward af distancing fmpov.

Will see if that still holds up.

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

First, let me preface this post by saying that the way this game went down has been different from a good variety of games I've been a part of. Most of this centers around the fact that the night kills have been hyper-focused on the claims and not on potential non-wagons and would-be sleuths. This isn't saying that anyone who has died by NK (not Boomer's vigi shots) is either of these, but it's definitely not the usual cat and mouse of hunting for blues or eliminating threats.
As this is the case, I won't put much stake into the night kill for how it affects my reads, because it'll only lead me down a silly path and just obfuscate what I'm looking for: wolfy behaviour. Down the line, if we don't win by the time all the blues are dead, we'll be able to look back at this info and potentially follow some lines of logic to their conclusion once certain towns are picked off for purely strategic reasons and not PR hunting reasons.
In addition, I have not included Eugene’s slot in this because I really, truly believe they are town. I have a very good idea on who they are as a player, and this is something counter to their wolf game. Call it shit all you want for me invoking metagame, but this is not a wolf performance for them at all.

That being said, let's begin this terrible, lengthy journey through this TWG thread.

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I know the flavour is cool with greying avatars, but for the people who have had replacements, it is a bit annoying to get used to the fact that they’re just not dead.

FLURRY

I wonder if we can take advantage of wolves or take advantage of the acquisitioner to get some sort of edge, but I don't really understand how that could happen.

At the very least, this sounds like a good topic to see how others feel me thinks. I can echo on that.

My initial thought was that Phil was suspicious for saying he would lay low and request the Acquisitioner to take their slot.

It made me feel like the Acquisitioner could be them. Unfortunately, this sounds very surface level.

Next page, I get to see Apollo go in a similar direction and I feel like many players are coming to the conclusion that this is something they want to tackle in some way.

Agent S' posts doesn't really lean me one way or another.

Nothing too conclusive right now.

One of the posts that I halfway referenced during the last EOD stemmed from reading this. This is one of Flurry’s earliest posts in the game that has a bunch of reads/observations in the thread. During D1, I was becoming increasingly suspicious of Flurry for some of their comments like “thunderdome me,” and D2 I was slightly backing off because I started to second-guess their nature of playing the game. It seemed like they were just throwing out whatever stuck, but they’ve been doing this all throughout the thread. This isn’t just something that cropped up in the middle of the game to start setting themselves up to vote for any wagon that seemed convenient, and is instead from a place of how they play.

Flurry and Phil are the first to point out inactives being potential wolves (Phil attributing the wolves part, Flurry bringing up Del and Dotty/Chrissy/Cole).

I'm starting to feel like Julian made a fake case on Molly and then excused himself for appearances only.

Just a bit sad that Molly didn't get here yet.

This does contradict with a post Flurry made earlier agreeing with Agent S on the fact that the read Julian made on Molly was sensible.

I'm slowly leaning Julian back to null based on more recent interactions.

Just feeling like I had the wrong idea.

If Flurry is a wolf, then they hung up this case very early before they could really get traction on it. They had some interactions with Julian himself, but never really came to much. I like this considering it was a whopping 3.5h before EOD, and Flurry looks to be finding new horizons instead of sitting on some suspicions. (Did you see the joke?)

I'm voting you every time I'm not voting an inactive unfortunately.

Well, that lasted a while. As we know, they jumped onto Zucker.

APOLLO
I’m sure nobody forgot Apollo’s random outburst at the beginning of thinking Agent S is the acquisitioner and quoting themselves asking people to get on board as a theory. Apollo later backtracked this, calling it a joke. Most of Apollo’s other posts were weak, contentless (they forgot the day was EOD), and just not really worth looking into. A lackluster D0.


PHIL
As mentioned in Flurry’s section, Phil is one of the first to call out for votes on inactives. A second time is when Dora (ironically the acq) pointed out that Acq will go after the least active people to maintain a low cover.

I DID IT
Zucker

I think this is the first major Zucker vote.

punchy, Chief is saying you don't give a shit about the game

if I were you, I'd find that offensive
do you not?

Phil is trying to steer me off of Apollo and onto Chief even though I didn’t really take Chief’s message as telling me I didn’t care about the game. His vote was on Zucker, though, so I’m not sure how much I can read into this.

to be fair, they did expand, just in a very rude way

surprised its just been me and you, though, I agree there

can I interest you in Zucker though?

Forgot about this
Obviously I denied it! Ignore my previous point. Leaving it in there for longevity.

whatever
I guess no one cares
its my fault for not realizing when EOD was

if Zucker ever flips wolf, I reserve the right to say I told you so
and if he flips town, so far, we didn't lose very much

chief
will see if I can do any better quickly

I would hate this if they didn’t switch back onto Zucker a minute later.

FAUNA
Fauna is the third to jump on the “beat up the inactives” train, but calls out Phil a bit because Phil had his vote on Maple while telling Fauna to vote an inactive herself. Just read the post:

I will when I get home and look at people’s counts.

Why are you still voting for uWu?

Not much else for D0.


AGENT S

Really? I don't see these posts as wishy-washy at all. There's been no less than a full page of posts in a small pond of roleplay, that has so far been cause for structure of some early votes. I agree it's worth keeping an eye on, but wishy-washy myself of whether or not it's alignment indicative because defense options on day 5. Not really a stellar idea that I would consider 100% revolutionary and give them all the credit for, sidekick.

Is among the first to defend Flurry. Mentions the fact that Flurry floundering this early isn’t her trying to set up lynch options for the future, it’s more on how she solves the game. As of right now, I’m going to hold onto digesting the fact that Agent S identified that point this early instead of realizing it later like me. It’s a small defense, but it is noted.

Isabelle is attempting to smite them*

I've seen a few games of people scathing by with minimal post count activity. Majority of which either fell either into vanilla town, or wolves. Don't think I've ever experienced a game where a major inactive was a town power role, but I assume it's happened, sidekick.

Personal take on my end is that Julian and Flurry are both trying, but trying a little harder than majority of d1 players are comfortable with. There usually isn't much to talk about d1 unless a thing happens.

One big thing here is that Agent S is calling out two people for posting their ideas and trying to get a read on someone. A few people said that they didn’t like D0 because reads were tough and there’s not a ton of information, but this borders a bit between trying to stop people from posting ideas (plant suspicion on them) and not seeing how people can have reads on D0. He does backpedal this for Julian’s point on Molly, though.

What's your thoughts up until here Rolf? Been somewhat quiet, sitting on free real estate, and 3 of the 5 posts you've made (the other 2 being RP), have all been shifty in terms of directing attention.

Agent S noticed the same thing I pointed out about Rolf in his section (I’m typing this post while reading through every player and just adding whatever relevant quote to each section) about being “shifty” and shifting attention to partners.

spicy.

Julian

This is in reaction of Julian bringing up the fact Molly has yet to respond. This was immediately after the exchange between Julian and Agent S about Agent S defending me and saying Julian’s activity was their wolf meta (as Agent S was convinced at this time that the knew who Julian was as a player). Agent S said that he didn’t think Julian’s read on me was wolfy, but here it just looks like he’s latching onto this new activity to call out Julian since he didn’t want to defend me much more.

ROLF

I hope that this is a general statement and not trying to be a response to me, as that'd make two different people now answering for Tank and that's not a good look.

Rolf, even though a sparse poster D0, cares about his questions being answered by the target. I’ll keep this post in mind if Tank/Rolf ever comes up being a world. I forget the name of Tank’s replacement, so work with me here, okay?

Taking by the bolded portion that you're suspicious of Chief? But then obviously suspicious of Apollo from your vote, so would you believe Apollo's vote is sort of distancing?

Rolf took a bite into my post (the first post he’s made since he was a bit AFK during the phase) looking mostly at my scumreads on Chief and Apollo.

Lots of Rolf’s posts and points on D0 are defending others and sometimes himself. I’m waiting for a post of his that asserts a case aside from saying “people answering for tank look sus” and responding politely to Tank’s replies.

Not really a fan, more use would be gotten from having more information on thoughts on smaller group of players than just listing all the players with nothing else to go on. Though they have somewhat already been posting thoughts on a smaller group of players, doing this seems like it's just to appease Phil.

Doing a minimalist reads list like that is something that wolves have done often on this site, so that's not far off at all
No reasoning for this vote here, so it's not clear if the vote is solely based on voting chief or if there was previous issues as well, if it's for voting chief there then again my point regarding wolves making reads lists like that before and also the rest of these posts here which while there's a slight backtrack regarding something being directed towards different player, they still decided to stick with it:

Ah, here’s a Rolf post. I got worried for a moment there. They agree with Apollo that Chief’s reads list is weak and just an appeasement for Phil, and then turns around on Phil for voting Apollo for ambiguous reasons. I thought Phil’s vote there was pretty clear on why they didn’t like Apollo. This is the second time Rolf has been focused on this interaction. First he brought it up with me, and now he brought it up against Phil.

By certain people do you mean the people that I gave thoughts on that'd you see if you read my latest posts?

And regarding inactives part, I can go one way or the other to be completely honest. The one inactive I was wanting to not vote was Del which I already gave reason about but Punchy has a point about Del's zucker vote being hypocritical so my stance about leaving Del alone if voting for inactives this phase is gone now.

This response here makes me feel that Rolf/Agent S isn’t a thing. Their exchange wasn’t aggressive, but it was more like “are you actually reading my posts dummy” and I think that would be some pretty tough wolf theatre.

Yeah, I can still do absolutely nothing with this. You're gonna have to actually put in some work and quote some of the posts I made that deal with the nai stuff so I can get where you're coming from with that.

The part about dora could very well be wrong if they were just doing a general statement as they said they were, but it's good to be mindful of multiple players potentially helping a teammate by answering stuff for them.

The acquisitioner thing is just one tiny part of thoughts on Julian that you just cherrypicked out while ignoring the rest so that doesn't do too well for your read either I'm afraid.

Same as the above point wrt Rolf/Agent S. Similar seems to be going on here with Rolf/Tank where I just don’t see a connection. I’m expecting more softball responses, not really this “I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about” stance.


TANK

sis im happy to wingman for you
no need to freak out any time someone mentions punchy

Aside from the times Tank took the opportunity to make jokes and do some minor callouts of Rolf, this is a weird post. Agent S had an issue with Julian voting for me, and this was Tank’s reply to that. I’m not really sure where this lands. Is it a defense of me? Saying Agent S is wrong? It’s very odd. It could be another joke and I’m just going to end up missing it because Tank is gone now. For what it’s worth, on this reread, Tank’s posts are a bit more understandable than I was giving them credit for.

don't like the apollo lynch. dude has big beak energy

phil I can tell is a welcoming birdy

Noted this defense without really any reasoning.

i can go either way
think i prefer to del

[twgv]zucker/twgv]

This combo of posts is whack because:
Responding to a question intended for Phil
The options were Zucker and Mathilda. Del was not mentioned
Immediately votes Zucker, lmao

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

(for the record, the order of players in my reads is completely random and just based off of the first time I noticed something to post about in that phase)

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

TANK

im not really feelin these claim plans
theres a lot of factors at play
village is already ahead, its legit d0 again w 1 less wolf
just feels risky when im not sure its needed

Not sure if I can say I dislike this because I still disagree with it. I don’t think our claiming to protect the blues really helped us out this game, so I’m just gonna scratch this, idk.

hmmm
i kinda buy this more

After being AFK, returning to the Boomer/Dora stuff, he still focuses on the Julian read that Cherry put forth. His only response to the Dora/Boomer stuff was “spicy”.

I def wanted to unvote boomer
piling on dora when she is top wagon halfway thru day is boring
chief needs to clear up his weird comments on zucker, i wanted to draw focus there

Hey, this is cool though. Knowing Dora isn’t a possible partner, this looks good. I’m sad I missed this post because I really like it! It shows that WIM spirit, but will tank have the WIM delivery?

I still townlean Apollo
Big clown turnt actually caring
Think he's Del's top wolf tho

Tank/Apollo, phone it in if it’s a case.
Also, Tank didn’t have the WIM energy this phase. Weak!

PHIL

I'm thinking blocker claiming might be a good idea
I can't just ever imagine the wolves trying to kill Del last night

Still don’t like this though, lmao.

These are the votes on Zucker, in order, at EOD

holy lack of justification

I know that it became supremely obvious that Zucker was dead once Del claimed, given there were no other counters, but aside from Dora and I, there's like, basically no reaction to the cop claim from Del, and normally, I would expect some people to have flipped their lid a bit more

Makes me think that there's just got to be at least one in the people like Boomer, Molly, Rolf and Chief (emphasis on Chief given he had a townread on Zucker earlier for, in my opinion, very little justification)

Early dissection of the wagon was nice; the inconsistencies with Chief is a good observation.

Tank talked about how he "could go either way" between Mathilda and Zucker, and said that he thought he preferred to go for between those names, than go for Del

I think people pushing Julian today for outing the cop are probably doing it for bad, post-justification, reasons. I do think, however, that Julian has trended down a bit. I was basically in love with his posts yday, but the more I've read, the less I like his quips about looking at things in hindsight, if that makes any sense. I think the post where he begged people to lynch Del and just resolve Zucker some other way has to look bad, in the end. People pushing him for pushing Del are being stupid/wolfy though.

I think Rolf gets a singular cool point for saying people pushing Julian are doing it for bad reasons, but he's in the list of people who swapped to Zucker without saying anything, so I think that he's only a tiny bit ahead of the rest.

Phil visits the wagon again. This time I only highlighted a few of the parts of the post instead of the whole thing. It was pretty lengthy. I bring up the point where he gives Rolf cool points for bringing up the “anyone on the Julian hate train is sus” as a marker on a still-living player, same with calling Tank’s vote potentially bussy. I might have to agree with that point given what I highlighted on D0.

I get that I'm the only person who understands mechanics on this site
but I have to put up with being the only person who understands mechanics on this site
and that's a real drag sometimes

Wow, presumptuous.

while its on my mind, someone mentioned Chrissy as a new player that has townie tone

I kinda think this is more in line with wolfy for them (again, this is based on me being relatively sure who they are, less sure than on Eugene though)

This isn’t the first “I know who you are” meta post that Phil has made, but this one just stinks more than the others. Maybe I’m biased because I feel the same way about Eugene, but this one is just… eh. It feels weak.

CHERRY
I forget who said Cherry was boring D0, but I agree! D1 is better.

hello yes i am awake and caught up what what

it's possible that vigi shot the vested wolf, which would further explain the lack of night kills

i'm undecided if it makes more sense for the acqui to do nothing vs take some over. there's not really much of a reason NOT to since it furthers their goal but they may have wanted to lay low for a while? there's also a very real possibility that they were one of the inactives

Thinking that the shot hit the vested wolf, and knowing what we know now about Dora/Boomer, I think this looks MAJOR hot for Cherry as a town. I mean yes, she could be lying and saying that just to cover, but I think her being the first one to propose this is thinking in a good headspace.

i think you knew they were town (because you're a wolf) and even if i'm wrong, tunneling someone so hard that they claim cop on day fucking zero is not a good look

She’s the first to push extra hard on Julian aside from Agent S. Noted. Cherry spends most of this first part of the day theorycrafting what happened in the night.

hey dora please explain this part of the wagonomics post what what

[ Flurry, Phil, Tank, Dora ]

obviously you clear yourself but why the brackets and zero explanation on these folks? i still very much dislike flurry, pretty much exactly for the reasons punchy does, tank is playing fuckin 4d chess and i don't know what his deal is, and phil is fine

i'd put money on dora having a vest, who the fuck would block boomer that night when he wasn't really on the radar yet. not voting just yet because i don't want to hammer and idk how many votes we're up to what what

After returning, Cherry is critical of what Dora is posted, painting them as anti-town. At this point, it seems like she’s probably convinced this is the vest wolf. This is consistent with earlier. Yes, they did say later that acq had the choice, but I still like this point being town points for her.

Not quoting for space (I’m already taking a mansion’s worth of posting here), but Cherry is also the first to really handle Tank. They end up townreading tank, so in the world where I’m wrong on Cherry, Tank could be an option? Maybe? Maybe I’m just reaching too much.

ROLF

Julian still looking good to me, the vote on Del at the time was valid considering Del's play before the claim. The vote was switched off after the claim which doesn't lend itself to the 'tunneling' some players are accusing Julian of. Using the point that Del claimed PR to say that Julian's vote is worse now is pretty outrageous considering wolves also wouldn't know who's a PR or not. People going onto Julian because of this are trending downward for me as it seems to be the most basic surface-level attempt at trying to look like they're scum hunting.

Rolf takes a huge defense of Julian. This lines up with what he was saying at D0EOD when he pointed out my read on him and how it flipped his thinking of Del around. Not a pocket, I’d say.

AGENT S

To expand upon the meta I've seen in the past in the way Julian was acting specifically nearing eod;

Julian was perfectly ready to back off of Del closing in on eod, and then Del called out Julian for the lazy amount of pressure they were putting on tons of players, and that if they aren't going to follow through, they should either not do it, or possibly be a wolf. And then took that as a threat so they continued pressure.

This is the one biggest example in Julian's post history that shows the flipping back & forth in what they want to do & how they want to exert pressure, but their entire post history coming into eod reeks of exerting pressure for reason to vote someone, and then taking their foot off the gas because of good reasoning or backlash, and then putting their foot on the gas again. When I asked where they were going with this, their arguments for why were just as flimsy.

I called them out, I got pressure put on me, had a good reason, backed off, and then threw shade again when I peace'd from the thread for 30mins. Like wtf what sort of town pulls that shit. This is prime wolf looking for lynch candidate at eod behavior, not town scum hunting/polling the masses for slips, especially with the reasons being so weak.

I made a large, thought-out post. Have at me, sidekick.

I think this post looks good, though. It’s still on Julian, but not much had happened that day at that point. Aside from the slips part (lol), this seems to me like Agent S is being authentic here. I don’t agree on the specific points since he was engaging other people on posts (myself included), but I believe that Agent S believed this at this point.

My headspace right now is that Del, Punchy, Phil, Flurry, Fauna, and Eugene as town.

town leans are Chief, Cherry, Tank, and Dora.

Nulls are Apollo, Boomer, Molly, Maple (although slightly between null & town lean for me), and Chrissy.

wolf lean Mathilda pending on how the phase plays out (mostly inactive read based on previous day), Rolf for Julian interactions prior to eod.

Pretty sure I know who Julian is, and they were playing d0 like wolf without day chat.

Ideal world would be Julian is a wolf, and Rolf is assisting how they can, and the third wolf is somewhere between town leans and downwards. Although, nothing is ever white & black, it's always grey.

I think he missed Phil’s point calling his push on Julian bad, but he has him in his top town list here just behind me. It just seems like he’s just looking at Julian and anyone defending Julian is scummy.

Still don't like the level of weak scum hunting that's going on. Still perceive it as looking for mislynch wagon candidates, despite the lynch being locked in for today.

Stillonjulian.mp3

lots of reads

They did deliver on more reads than just Julian, so I’ll give them that. There are mostly town lean/nulls in here and really only two wolves on Julian and Rolf. The same two people as before.

Despite that though, I think there is a really good town base that is going to be around for a while, as wolves attempt to clear out PR claims. I'm pretty happy with Eugene & Phil leading the charge on that.

Pledging that Eugene & Phil are big towns. This is another + read for Phil specifically, so I wonder if this pairs up with my earlier point. If Agent S flips red, Phil would be a good place to look IMO.

Interesting to reflect on after this phase nearing the end.

Overall posting style up until this point (d0 -> early d1) has been pretty laid back, small chirping.

A lot of skirting along mid-d1, not really adding much to the meat of discussion.

Around mid-d1, after vigi claim, Apollo started to do some proper digging, and asking questions to get to conclusions, although it's very limited.

Find it slightly weird that Apollo held their vote until Molly (last person) said they weren't counterclaiming, but that's mostly a personal taste/bias on my end. It's not worth anything.

There really isn't much to delve on, unless you want to bring up something specific. I would place Apollo just a tad above Mathilda.

Looks like Agent S placed them just slightly above null, if I remember their reads correctly. They’re holding them in that liminal state. Potential partners, but I feel like this one is weak. I’m probably wrong here. If I had to say Agent S is wolf here, I’d currently pair them with Phil/Rolf for focusing Julian first. Julian flipping green might tempt them to change their mind on Rolf. I feel like this might have been a setup, but if you call me out on extrapolating here, it wouldn’t be a bad idea.

I mentioned it a bit here and there earlier, but Apollo & Punchy both appeared to be contributing a fair amount. After my iso on Apollo though, and starting to look a bit into Punchy, I would definitely put Punchy higher up than Apollo.

Cute, he still likes me!

FLURRY

Thunderdome me what what

I still hate this post.

One day, maybe I will decide to care about looks.

I've been content with where the game is at and watching the others post is good enough for me even if it's "Flurry is trending down".

I didn’t really find any posts by Flurry that stood out for most of this day. There was the thunderdome thing, but most of the other posts they made were focused on mechanics and Dora stuff and things that I don’t really think add to solving the game at this juncture. Flurry has some mad confidence here not thinking they’d be lynched. They’re correct in hindsight, but man, this is some BIG confidence. I think not being defensive here is a nice look.

She does some tinfoiling and wagon hopping (Proposing a Eugene/Punchy/Julian wagon, lol, pretty confident this is all town with Eugene being the only one fmpov that can’t actually be “confirmed), but I think this can be attributed to them waiting for Dora’s flip, waiting where to go.

I guess Julian is town for open wolfing with Punchy which makes Punchy town.

Really good at solving today.

Now I remember why I scumread Flurry at this point. There was a lot of this and not much else for game solving. I know I’ve been speaking lightly of them so far in this post, but this is just taking me back into that mindset.

APOLLO

Hey those who town read me last phase why did you do it. I remember two people doing it I just don't remember who they were

This is an entrance? Sure, I guess it is. Looking back on it now, I still can’t tell his intentions behind asking this aside from the fact that they admitted they were phone posting. Maybe it’s just a symptom of that.

Thoughts on everyone so far
01) Agent S I like
02) Apollo literally the best
03) Boomer ew I don't like
04) Cherry ???
05) Chief aggressively turns me on but in a weird not so good way but I think that's just how they rub people
06) Del I'm forced to like them
07) Dora ???
08) Dotty Chrissy I like
09) Fauna ????
10) Flurry meeehhh
11) Julian not a fan tbh
12) Maple like an angry lover
13) Mathilda ???
14) Melba Eugene I like you but I don't like you
15) Molly ???
16) Phil I like
17) Punchy ???
18) Rolf I like your avatar
19) Tank ???
20) Zucker ew literally one of the worst

He admitted to rereading EOD and ending up with this conclusion. Not much justification here, he just goes straight into Boomer. Kinda bad.

I'm not taking my vote off of boomer yet

Gross! He knows it’s not EOD. I’ll look for more posts after this regarding Boomer, but this stanky.

Do you believe boomer and if so why do you think you didn't die

This is @Dora. Obviously not partners, but he’s still not believing Boomer’s claim and thinks it was bad (not at EOD by Apollo’s logic).

So cherry is maple the only person you're going to do that with

Conveniently ignores Cherry ISOing Tank. Noted!

Anyone who immediately voted Dora after he claim is sketchy imo

What?
WHAT?
Hard claiming anti-town is some big dick energy if you’re town. This is just lame. I can’t see it any other way.

Agent S - "Flurry I still think is quite town, despite dropping off of a bit from yesterday. I assume that the reason behind it because it's a bit open and shut situation for today."

I'm too lazy to edit the post on my phone but I don't think the reasoning behind this is good. If anything choosing to bounce because the lunch target is secured is sketchy at best

Negative read on Agent S. I think this is the first time they’re trending down. This is different from their no-reasons reads list that put Agent S at town. Considering this is malleable and Agent S is nowhere near the lynch pile, this could be good. Could be distancing, but we’ll see if there’s anything else. On the surface, I’m lean towards looking better for Apollo.

Julian is it fair to say you have fauna as your top town for no real reason

Maybe destroys a potential link between Apollo/Fauna?

FAUNA

I think you're letting these four (conveniently yourself) off the hook with this

Zucker is a good vote to make as a wolf prior to a tunnel. He is inactive, so not that helpful to a wolf team anyway, his actions were almost entirely NAI and if he does get voted off, he flips as wolf and suddenly you look a lot more towny.

If there is a wolf or more in those 4, I have no doubt they would have swung to someone else had he become active during eod

It’s impossible to make the case for the very last sentence here. Fauna is good to call out Phil for harping up their Zucker vote so much. Could be good on Fauna, could be distancing, only time will tell.

Your progression was literally changing your vote from chief to zucker straight after realising that EoD was close. You gave the reason of Zucker having the least posts out of the 5+ posters.

Was there any other reason you were voting Zucker?

Or Fauna just didn’t do their homework. Phil pointed this out in the next post. And yes, Phil was indeed on top. Better for Phil, worse on Fauna for not doing their homework.

Alrighty I’m out for the rest of the phase, Dora is still best lynch. I think everyone’s forgetting about matthilda, I plan to iso her during the night but somethings not right there. Hopefully the night actions give us a lot more to work with

Last post of the phase. Felt pretty lacking, tbh. There was really only one good point here that I saw, but either I’m stupid and missed everything else or their D1 was very lackluster. Yes, they were in discussion with the whole Dora/Boomer shiet, but I’m just feeling a limp noodle. We’ll see how D2 goes, but Fauna feels a bit of a dull note to me.

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

This part is incomplete, but still a dickload of content.

Lots of talk at the beginning of this day is once again about the night actions and whether or not Boomer took the shot. This was also the discussion of night killing mechanics (i.e. when two people shoot at the same time), so I breezed through this because most mechanical talk is NAI.

FLURRY

In practice, we can just ignore all the mechanical stuff and try to:

A) Find wolfy things.
B) Figure out if we can filter out more townies.
C) Try to find a potential 2nd wolf for the Vigi

Aside from Phil, was one of the first ones to step away from the mechanics discussion and focus on their plan for the day. As for how they follow this, we’ll see the rest of the day.

lots of reads on Molly

This is the list that first turned me around for Flurry. Even though they’re wrong, I do think the way they dissect this was from a good mindset. The “overjustification” point felt new and refreshing from all of the other people scumreading Molly. They do this in complete opposition to Chief and asks the thread to clarify why Chief is actually wolfy. Since there’s no cover intentions here for Chief, this ends up looking much nicer than it did when I first saw it.

I'm more comfortable with a wolf Molly than a wolf Chief at the moment.

I feel like Chief may not be expressing himself ideally for what he could be doing.

Basically, he's not looking as good as he could be because he's not filtering himself.

At least, that's how it seems to me at first glance.

See here for more good vibes about the Chief thing I just mentioned.

Looks like me isoing Molly is terribly timed by Molly leaving until later tonight.

Anyone wants to iso Rolf or Maple ?

Kinda weak on the effort side, but they’re at least expending effort trying to get reads on all of the players instead of just focusing on Molly.

Rolf's iso looks pretty independant and mixed with technical posts about how scenarios could have been unfolding.

I'm not really seeing anything wolfy there.

Interesting take early game.

This might be something that got overlooked despite how I gave a town read to Tank from Cherry's iso.

I'd town lean Rolf despite not quoting much from him.

Overall, I think his posts are unique and natural.

They did the ISO on Rolf after some prodding by Cherry! I don’t like how little effort is placed into here though for gathering quotes. They give Rolf a town lean by saying one of his takes was interesting and that his callout of Tank is notable. Not really feeling anything else here, though.

If there's something going on between Tank, Apollo and Rolf; I think it's more late game stuff. The world where they're all town is quite possible as of now.

Hi, it’s me, late game!

CHERRY

wrong country too, you're way off what what

i need to do some isos but i still like chief for today's lynch

Signaling agreement to Phil that Chief was a good option for the day. Probably nothing. I don’t remember seeing Cherry talk too much about Chief, but Chief was always sketchy, so it doesn’t stand out in particular.

Later, Cherry’s first ISO is on Tank again. They’re concerned with Tank/Apollo considering how hard Tank was defending Apollo’s big beak energy.

Cherry is consistently “don’t claim” with several aspects.

hey julian please give thoughts on today's lynch and also in general what what

Cherry also poking at people to discuss their lynch options after putting Chief on the front of their vote. They are being pretty active and on top here, asking both Maple and Julian for their reads without expending their effort to join them on Chief. No recruitment for the Chief lynch feels pretty good, especially knowing now that Chief is town.

FAUNA
After a rather lackluster D0/D1, Fauna finally drops a pretty detailed reads list.

big reads list.

I still have similar problems with the reads list that I do now. Their read on Tank is very, very vague (frustrating to read, but doesn’t specify any points that they agree with).
Their read on Phil has them town lean, but calls them never scum.
The read on Flurry is almost as vague as the read on Tank. They mention the Julian/Flurry spat, but really nothing within it.
Agent S’s read is in the null territory, and says that his plays have been super towny but UTR.
However, the reads in the wolf piles seem to be much more specific. Rolf’s part is about them not following up questions, Apollo’s read is about him becoming more involved but is undecided if his involved presence was to skim off any scum reads, Chrissy and Chief also had extensive reads. Their definite wolf pile in Molly/Mathilda is unfortunately very wrong, but that’s just hindsight talking to me.
The townreads here don’t feel all that great. I wonder if this is one of those reverse POE situations where they focus on their wolf reads and then just fill in the towns backwards. Interesting strategy, but I still feel like the town reads are so weak and flimsy. Seriously, go read the points on Tank and Flurry and tell me how you feel. If Fauna is wolfing, I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave an easy town clear to one of these two.

My style of play has always been more observational at the start so I get it, but also, did you miss my reads list or did you choose to ignore it? I’d love your thoughts on it.

Also noticed you have Agent S on your nulls like me. So in the interest of figuring out a slot

Agent, if you couldnt pick Julian, molly or mathilda, who would you lynch and why?

Fauna is pushing Agent S to read more. I know I mention in Agent S’s section about a possible partnership here, but I feel like this is slowly falling apart.
Fauna makes an updated “here’s where I am post” that just gets rid of Mathilda from their scum pile, votes Mathilda, and puts potential leads on Cherry, Phil, and Apollo to look after in the future.

AGENT S

So a few things:

I agree with Julian that the wolf pool is a little large. My take, if you punt Chrissy back to null for inactivity, and Chief for tone-reads, you basically end up with the same wolf pool as mine with exception to Molly being null and Julian being wolf lean.

Although in the grand scheme of things, Julian has been feeling a bit better for me. Still somewhat conflicted, but it's slowly moving into a confused town world for me similar to Flurry, but more bad plays and less confused.

Everything else on the reads list sounds more or less right. Still wanting to do an iso of Punchy & others today.

This is in response to Fauna’s reads list. He states wanting to do an ISO of me and others, but the big thing to look at here is that they’re agreeing with Fauna’s reads list. There’s a chance that Agent S is the partner that Fauna put in their reads list as lower to not look like they were just townreading everything. However, this is just a chance, and I think this post from Agent S is generally fine since they’re thinking about all of their own reads and establishing that mindmeld thing. This is also the first time I really feel that Agent S is stepping out of his tunnel zone. I would say this is generally good for Agent S?

Finished Iso on Punchy. I really like it.

Ever have one of those moments where you get your favorite bag of potato crisps, open it up, and then immediately inhale bag contents and get high from it?

That's what it felt like to me, reading Punchy's long posts. I'd be comfortable sitting Punchy in my town pile alongside Cherry.

They only pointed out one point of mine and gave me this townread. Weak!

And I still think that with 4 wolves, there could be at least 1 wolf that's putting in effort and actually posting & keeping up with the game. And that in itself contrasts with what majority of players have down in their reads, with most reads wolf leaning or straight wolf reading people who either aren't posting a ton, posting but not contributing, or are majorly inactive.

With all of that taken into consideration though, I still think a Molly or Mathilda lynch pushes town in a positive direction for the game as a whole, as it removes possibility of wolves hunkering down with inactivity, and keeps active players that will attempt solving the game, in the fray.

This seems to contradict with itself ever so slightly, considering he’s still pushing for inactives after saying there’s one active poster. Noticeable, but probably on the null side after dwelling on it for a bit.

APOLLO

i don't get what you mean here.
Are you saying you can't understand our reason for doing things or you don't understand how we go "I'm Apollo and I'm doing x because y"


Why did you guys assume that Molly was the majority and not even mention Mathilda? From what I remember Mathilda has been scum read but everyone since like d0


I don't understand everyone's hate with tanks posts. They're easy to read. Y'all just some haters

Their first catch-up post near EOD doesn’t really add anything, now looking at this in retrospect. The point against Flurry is just for clarification, the point about Molly/Mathilda really means nothing, and they come back in and defend Tank again.

Chief to me comes off as a caught wolf. To avoid divulging information they accept their loss and take the L to not reveal any more connection to wolf partners. One question though. If you have chief as a wolf lean because he isn't defending himself doesn't that also apply to Molly and to an extent Mathilda? I know Mathilda came in afterwards and threatened to claim a role but that doesn't apply to this post.

Why not keep all three together in wolves or all three I. Wolf lean?

This is a rather odd response to Fauna’s reads list. It doesn’t point to anything specific aside from the wolf reads. They completely avoid talking about them and focus directly on recruiting people to vote for Chief. They point out that it’s odd Chief isn’t further down on their list. Ok? I don’t really see what the problem is here.

I remember reading a post by Mathilda that mentions something that I thought was interesting but I couldn't find it.

They said that there must've been a wolf in the top picks for the shot because if not then wolves had no reason to block the shot because a town would almost guarantee another town kill.

I like this and it comes off towny for me

Of all the reads they’ve made, I do like this one. They spent some time earlier not liking Mathlida, but this shows a nice change of mind after doing some more research. It’s a town read that has effort to it, unlike some of their other points. They did probe people asking about Tank’s read on them and whether or not it was lazy. I’m not sure of their intent here asking about it openly, but it is one of those “ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ME?!” posts. Not going to let that point take down what I like about this post, though.

So I started doing an iso on chief and the first couple of posts and his interactions with Zucker are pretty weird.

Zucker comes in like I would expect a typical rp post to be but chief out of the gate comes gunning for Zucker accusing him to be the acqui. Zucker naturally is confused and chief keeps at it and then goes on to talk about eating him

Why would you accuse Zucker right out of the gate to be the acqui? Did something happen in the wolf chat that would push you to think he had been acquisitioned?

The irony here in the last part is pretty hilarious. Not the fact that he was wrong, but the “accusing someone as the acq right out of the gate” part.

This is super lazy. You have 5 nulls, a wolf and a bunch of town leans. You didn't even give Phil or Eugene a designation.

Posts like this are what make me think you don't really care about solving the game

This is right after Flurry asked for people to read into additional ISOs. Poor timing, but if Apollo ignores her other posts, it might be something to look into (spoilers: it’s not)
Apollo follows up by calling the reads lazy.

If chief flips wolf is start looking more at agent S for the defense around this time when he's a top lynch

Quoting for longevity.

Rolf is to help me solve other people that I still have nagging issues with. But if I were to rate chief and Rolf on a scale of 1-10 based on how much I want them lynched chief would be an 8 and Rolf would be a 2.

I would be worried if Rolf became a wagon out of nowhere though

Also quoting for longevity, but this could set up a potential bus for Rolf?

PHIL
Phil’s presence D2 has been very understated. There was a ton of his posting towards the beginning about people not getting mechanics, but I didn’t see too much happening. He could be coasting off of his town read status at this point, but here’s his first real entrance into the thread.

Feels like if rolf is a wolf, his partners are doing an excellent job of ignoring him

Not much discussion of the day had been focused on Rolf, so this is an okay mention.

Has chief done anything yet

Back to Chief time. Not much else done here aside from trying to find out who Cherry is.

everyone's posting a lot more than I am, content-wise, and I feel more than kind-of guilty over it

I'm really going to try more when I have the time, this weekend is just going to be very awful for me

He votes Chrissy and then moves to this. Knowing he did the reread, I do see where the effort came in. Props to you, I’m not even going to finish this fully in this post.

just lynch Chief/Chrissy today, imo

kill the people who are l a c k i n g
rather than anything else

it worked on zucker

Reminds me of the post yesterday’s phase about meta for being lazy. Saying “it worked on Zucker” after telling Eugene not to believe too much in statistics (as Eugene thought Boomer might have hit two vests in a row) is kinda ???tier to me.

TANK

Im getting lazy with pulling quotes but I find Apollo's flurry read believable even if I dont agree
not that I know who da fuck flurry is, supposedly the sun gawd does
also feels like Apollo is trending up in terms of caring after wolves be havin a bad time
idk I also read over Maple's big post and was jus like ... lel idt you get this guy
idt it was wolfy from maple bc they were at least tryna hunt wolves while the whole dora drama was goin
it just didnt make me wanna kill apollo more than maple still. lel

Tank’s first big post back in is focused on mostly Apollo quotes. nagl fam for this pairing

i am a bit bothered by rolf reversing his read based on it. feels lazy to me, coming from someone who seems thorough
molly's read on del considering thts who she was tryna kill was stupidly vague.
the julian read is prob the best thought out one in that post but idk fam. it's also defensive

Tank does do more work. That’s nice. He makes a post about me, Molly, and Rolf here all centered around Del. He doesn’t like Rolf changing his mind on Del. Considering Del is dead at this point, they’re looking at people who pushed on him. Sorry for being wrong, I guess.

[TWG Julian]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

i've finished the reread and i'm with punchy and phil: i hate myself. how many thousands of words was that? novel-length? goddamn! GODDAMN!!!

i haven't read punchy's big posts yet because i believe they deserve my full attention, and right now i'm very mentally fatigued. my skull is full of brain soup. gonna take a break, read the punchy posts, then post my own thoughts and opinions

[TWG Phil]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

just think
when you're subbing someone in, you're asking them to do what you did, without any prior context

the game is too late now to let this go on

[TWG Phil]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

im gonna go to sleep now
I'll be here at 30 mins for eod most likely
if I'm not, then I slept through my phone alarm or something

[TWG Julian]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

quick thought for people to mull over:

Chrissy: If people want to vote for inactivity, Chrissy seems like a decent vote if she doesn't say anything before EoD. I feel like a lot of their posts have been really "easy" posts to make (e.g. remarks/questions about mechanics) and not much actual thoughts towards others. If she does come back before EoD, I'm curious how she'll react to the discussion regarding her possibly pretending to be an inexperienced player.

i know the obvious pick for molly's block was me at the time, but now that we're revisiting it, isn't it pretty obviously chrissy? this was one of her last posts. only other possibility based on people still alive is flurry (she didn't like him, chief, mathilda, myself, and phil at first [she warmed up later])

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

I'm thinking blocker claiming might be a good idea
I can't just ever imagine the wolves trying to kill Del last night

Phil, can you come back to this ? I cannot picture myself ever posting that as town.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Reading Punchy's long posts made me switch to go Phil -> Fauna -> X as my lynch priority.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

My theory is that wolves have been in a safe state since a long while and pretty much just sit back watching the rest of town kind of pushing each others.

I think this is echo'd by the current state of the game where we just keep barely finding anything relevant to scum read anyone.