TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

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  • Not devonin
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2008
    • 107

    #4111
    Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

    I feel like we have to assume the guarding that was used on Daikyi if it was a guarding preventing a kill, was a one-shot, because if it's repeatable, we've basically won and that would be too easy for the level of complexity for this game.

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    • Soundwave-
      Carry your failures proud
      • Sep 2015
      • 644

      #4112
      Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

      Originally posted by Not devonin
      I feel like we have to assume the guarding that was used on Daikyi if it was a guarding preventing a kill, was a one-shot, because if it's repeatable, we've basically won and that would be too easy for the level of complexity for this game.
      This is kind of what I was thinking, but it's plausible since Dai is only an even medic.
      Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
      only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
      Originally posted by スンファンさん
      右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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      • Not devonin
        FFR Player
        • Jun 2008
        • 107

        #4113
        Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

        Originally posted by Soundwave-
        fox fire results showed someone who I guess is investigative immune because I didn't get their name? as well as a visitor presumably responsible for the save. Combine this with daikyi being the obvious wolf target (especially considering they would have had negative indication that daikyi was saveable as of last night) and I can only infer this is what happened.
        So if we assume hidden visitor was the wolf, and visible visitor was the guard, I still want to know how this gets us to Dafty dead in the night.

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        • Soundwave-
          Carry your failures proud
          • Sep 2015
          • 644

          #4114
          Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

          Originally posted by Not devonin
          So if we assume hidden visitor was the wolf, and visible visitor was the guard, I still want to know how this gets us to Dafty dead in the night.
          Probably shot. I don't care to speculate how; if somebody knows, they'd best say. If they don't, then I assume they have a reason to keep it to themselves.

          It could also all be wrong and Dafty is actually the wolf kill but that's a dumb world on a few different levels.
          Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
          only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
          Originally posted by スンファンさん
          右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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          • Not devonin
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2008
            • 107

            #4115
            Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

            I can't think of a single reason for somebody who can shoot, to have shot Dafty at that time, that's what has me so messed up. Like, nobody regardless of team or alignment gains from that unless it's a 3p wincon we don't know about.

            But definitely yes:

            Dafty as wolf kill before Xiz confirmed they'd have known he was a wolf: Extremely unlikely but in the realm of the possible

            Dafty as wolf kill now that Xiz confirmed they'd have known he was a wolf? Not a chance at all unless this is some extremely deep wolf chaos strat and even then they could have just left him to get lynched today and been further ahead.

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            • Soundwave-
              Carry your failures proud
              • Sep 2015
              • 644

              #4116
              Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

              If they believed that Dafty was a town wagon, it's a perfectly fine shot: has as good a chance of any of hitting, and is non controversial. It basically just time warps us one day ahead of the wolves.
              Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
              only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
              Originally posted by スンファンさん
              右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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              • Not devonin
                FFR Player
                • Jun 2008
                • 107

                #4117
                Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                What do you mean 'has a good chance of hitting' here? Of being not guarded?

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                • Soundwave-
                  Carry your failures proud
                  • Sep 2015
                  • 644

                  #4118
                  Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                  As in, not hitting a town. But that's actually a textbook mechanically solid time to shoot, because it saves us a lynch even if Dafty flipped town. Compared to just popping off randomly and hitting a town or just dying, it's pretty ok utility.
                  Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
                  only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
                  Originally posted by スンファンさん
                  右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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                  • Not devonin
                    FFR Player
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 107

                    #4119
                    Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                    Okay I've completely lost the thread of what you're saying.

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                    • Not devonin
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 107

                      #4120
                      Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                      Oh, oh you're talking about a town using the shot on him at night. Okay.

                      I just...still have trouble thinking of that as a good shoot for town. Like, if he's a wolf, we killed him, yay, we're down our shot, boo, and now we have to lynch somebody who might be a mislynch, boo.

                      If he's town, it's even worse, we aren't down a wolf, we are down our shot, and we still have to lynch somebody who might be a mislynch.

                      If I had a kill power right now, I'd be waiting until I had at least a strong suspicion that somebody was a wolf who was actually doing shit. Is that a bad strategy?

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                      • Soundwave-
                        Carry your failures proud
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 644

                        #4121
                        Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                        It's not a worse-than-normal shot statistically and it's actually a good shot because it knocks a name off the town hitlist without taking up a day.

                        The intuitive shooting strategy is to shoot at targets that are 50+% wolf but more often than not that means you just don't shoot (which isn't actually bad because numbers are fucked and stuff but that's a lengthier discussion).
                        Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
                        only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
                        Originally posted by スンファンさん
                        右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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                        • Soundwave-
                          Carry your failures proud
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 644

                          #4122
                          Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                          It's really hard to pin numbers on hunches and then analyze whether or not you should shoot, but in general I'd say players overvalue how much their hunches actually effect the mechanics of a shot and are quick to shoot in the wrong place and slow to shoot somewhere where it helps, in fear that they won't have the shot to shoot that wolf tell that'll definitely happen before you die.
                          Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
                          only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
                          Originally posted by スンファンさん
                          右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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                          • Not devonin
                            FFR Player
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 107

                            #4123
                            Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                            Originally posted by Soundwave-
                            It's not a worse-than-normal shot statistically and it's actually a good shot because it knocks a name off the town hitlist without taking up a day.

                            The intuitive shooting strategy is to shoot at targets that are 50+% wolf but more often than not that means you just don't shoot (which isn't actually bad because numbers are fucked and stuff but that's a lengthier discussion).
                            Jesus Christ do I not understand the strategies of this game.

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                            • Not devonin
                              FFR Player
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 107

                              #4124
                              Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                              Like, when H&H died I was like "That makes sense to me. Lacking other info on who to kill, get rid of the only person who could anchor a confirmed town group." and then several people were like "What a weird kill that does not make sense to me" and I'm just kinda like "wtf"

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                              • storn42
                                RIP Storn D0-D0
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 3473

                                #4125
                                Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                                Originally posted by Soundwave-
                                fox fire results showed someone who I guess is investigative immune because I didn't get their name? as well as a visitor presumably responsible for the save. Combine this with daikyi being the obvious wolf target (especially considering they would have had negative indication that daikyi was saveable as of last night) and I can only infer this is what happened.
                                I presume you aren't saying the name for safety reasons, but i'd like to ask if the person you could see is who i'm thinking it is. Cus if it is we can practically lock them town for the save. dont wanna say much about this for obvious reasons. just nod of the head and move on.


                                Originally posted by Xiz
                                "I think storn is town but he doesn't have a shirt on" - Roundbox
                                Originally posted by the sun fan
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