TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

I would lynch the fg wagon I think
Goldstingers still a wolf just in case anyone forgot

thanks for seeing what i see :B

[Not devonin]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

I won't get too into it, but there's a bunch in the way of this being clearing me. Wolves might not have even known that there was a wolf, for example. If I'm a wolf, I probably am much, much more likely to figure that Cocoa has just expanded their play a little bit (2 reads vs 0 is a very small change) versus is guaranteed to be a lost wolf

I think the world where I am a wolf and am pushing Cocoa unaware that Cocoa is the lost wolf should be pretty plausible from everyone else's perspective

ur probably townreading me outside of that tho :thumb:

This is another inexperience thing for me: Cocoa's flip indicated she knew who the other wolf/ves were/are, the Mafia wiki I'm using to look up all the terms people use that I don't understand doesn't seem to include 'lost wolf' or 'lost' as a role modifier. Is it usual for the lost wolf to get told who the other wolves were, but the other wolves to not get told? I don't understand the reference sunfan made to 'recruiting' them.

Does the lone wolf get found after a while? Does another wolf have to just -guess- who might be a lone wolf? How can you recruit the lone wolf if you don't know there is a lone wolf?

Svaz is pretty hard town right now considering iso.

I'm generally reading Svaz as town-ish too at the moment. There's still not a ton of data and we did spend a ton of the day just rehashing how Antori is not helping us but nothing's jumped out at me as overly suspicious.

I just kinda feel like the towns are posting a lot
and wolves aren't
I'm worried that's too lazy but its kinda also where I'm at

I think we need to do comparative postcounts towards the end of our first 24 in d1 here because the list of postcounts to me, is completely polluted by the sheer volume of contentless shitposts that happened in d0, and I think it's absolutely possible that at least one or two wolves saw d0 as a chance to crank up the post count so they could play more UTR in later phases without it jumping out at us.

Thoughts on Antori / FG being w/w? FG vote on dragonmega was obviously for self-preservation when you look at the votecount & EoD.

I had believed Antori as being 3p though as it gets raised below I'm not sure -why- I believed it other than he said it. If he's an actual wolf, I could buy an argument that fg is a wolf with him, but if he's 3p I don't think fg is a wolf.

this may be controversial but what if we kept him and used him as a vig like someone suggested?

i think he's being honest with us based on his reasons for nk'ing raeko (as in, he didn't try to pick a more palatable one)

This is definitely part of the reason why I think if he's a wolf you could also be a wolf. Previously your read list gave reads for 14 people that weren't null, your only wolf reads were gs, and daikyi, and you put a vote onto daikyi for having suspicion of Haku (which I think others had d0 but which has mostly gone away)

but the only people I saw express a wolf read of daikyi d0 were you and...antori...so when we lynch him today, if he's a wolf, you're my next major wolf lean. If he's -not- a wolf though, I can definitely recast your posting about this in another light.

The illogic of Antori's story makes me doubt anybody who takes any part of Antori's story at face value.

I don't recall someone else suggesting using them as town vig but if someone did you're wolf lean as well buddy.

the best reason is he /could/ be a town vig o-o c'mon dude. yeah i know mechanically we shouldn't do this but i was just wondering

pros: town potentially gets an extra kill
wolves potentially are afraid of antori and would want to kill him in the night
we can lynch an actual wolf suspicion this phase

cons: requires trusting a 3p when they could do fuck all
if antori does his own shit he's basically a nerf'd serial killer

trust is the biggest issue here and is why mechanically we shouldn't do this, but chaos :P

Chaos, generally I feel like as bad for town when there's wolves and 3p so huzzah chaos is also sketchy. After the game show, and the story of the night action, there's no trust for Antori.

I feel like my town read on Svaz was wrong too now.

rip

Could you explain more why? I still feel she's at least on the town side of null.

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

The game where sunfan replaced you, you hardly posted before being replaced

Well, hardly being relative

I don't think you struggle to come up with fake content as a wolf but I think you care less about making sure you have a voice I guess

he was in champs lmao

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

shadow where is your headspace? you're constantly saying that antori is your vote, but you're waffling back and forth with stuff like and i have no idea what kind of perspective you'd be going for.

ik this isn't directed at me but this is good info for post antori flip

[funnier6]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

let it happen

i want them to learn

That doesn't work fg. People lynch town every day and literally do it again to the same people the next game. No one rememberers meta, life isnt fair.

I'd learn though fwiw

You wanted this FunnyGirl so here you go. I tried to fucking push you to do something and you JUST WOULDN'T.

This feels extremely like you're acting out a scene in drama class.

Oh cmon, don't hesitate, yell and be wrong 50 times in a row if it means you can eventually be right and get the game together. I enjoy reading thought progressions.

I dont like to be hasty. I'll argue for and against lynches and town reads but unless I actually start hard town/scum reading people there won't be any yelling. Actually probably wont be yelling anyways since ew some new dude starts yelling at everybody that he knows everything. But I will fight if I ever find anything worth fighting for. Just no clue when that'll happen other than I really dont think lynching fg or sunfan is a good idea. Also feel extreme town vibes from Storn but I have nothing to compare him to. Will reads list at some point. Also I find it kind of weird youre saying this in such a calm way cause you dont seem like a calm person.

I've said it before, i'll say it again. i dont like lynching inactives D0.

We can be friends. <3

unvote
perhaps funny's baiting kill as a jester sort of role. Thinking back to the boats game as that's been the only other mystery/bastard game i've been in for possible roles. If that's the case though, surely there'd be a better way to go about it. That'd be just as bad as what redblaster decided to do.

I cant remember if this was brought up already but bringing up jesters is ew.

[flashflash account]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

he was in champs lmao

He wasn't in champs till after he replaced

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

I mostly just said it because of the meme recognition, but I also don't feel like he's anti at this point.

I felt like the nihilposting was pretty town, and especially his latest reluctance on leaving Antori alive (a point I definitely agree with). It's guided predominantly by the alignment of our opinions (9 is bait, kill the deceiver, etc.) but I mostly see an anti town motive in arguing favorably for any of those things.

I misread the first paragraph of this as an answer to Antori instead of GS quoting Roundbox.

[Funnygurl555]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

He wasn't in champs till after he replaced

oh

damnnnnnnnn

[funnier6]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

oh

damnnnnnnnn

-_-

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

This is another inexperience thing for me: Cocoa's flip indicated she knew who the other wolf/ves were/are, the Mafia wiki I'm using to look up all the terms people use that I don't understand doesn't seem to include 'lost wolf' or 'lost' as a role modifier. Is it usual for the lost wolf to get told who the other wolves were, but the other wolves to not get told? I don't understand the reference sunfan made to 'recruiting' them.

Does the lone wolf get found after a while? Does another wolf have to just -guess- who might be a lone wolf? How can you recruit the lone wolf if you don't know there is a lone wolf?

I agree that Cocoa /probably/ knew who the other wolves were, its not 100% clear from the flip, but it does appear that way.

Main wolves usually know if there is a lost wolf or not, but they basically never know who it is exactly at the beginning of the game.

The Lost Wolf usually knows who their partners are, but this is not always the case. Looking at Cocoa's flip, it really, really looks like Cocoa knew who the wolves were.

The flip also hints that Cocoa can join the wolves, but again, this is not always how lost wolves work. Mostly, the answer to a lot of your questions here is "it is up to the host"

As for exactly how Cocoa was meant to rejoin the wolves... your guess is as good as mine

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

ffa, why is gs a wolf?
I don't feel particularly strongly about him rn

[flashflash account]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

ffa, why is gs a wolf?
I don't feel particularly strongly about him rn

He's not being as analytical/insightful as he usually is

He read the setup and noticed that something changed almost immediately

His behavior today reads to me like he's being willfully ignorant of other possibilities for why the wolfkill didn't go through, attributing to antori feels like a way to push the discussion and lynch away from partners

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

I cant remember if this was brought up already but bringing up jesters is ew.

I only really brought it up specifically because of a role I had in a previous bastard game. 3rd party role where I simply win if a certain player gets lynched, and if they die a different way i turn town and play normal. But the player I had to get lynched was also a jester that flat out said 'lynch me or bad stuff will happen' and it made it impossible for me to do anything.

[Not devonin]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

woof woof i think mellon's photo rules that out

woof woof? you uh...yeah.

let it be known that i never defended antori, just tossed out a hypothetical so i could hear other ppl's opinions. and roundbox 180'd on his read on me

also important

I'm a guy who loves some thought experiments, but when I do them I make it clearer that I'm pondering abstractly something I don't necessarily believe or advocate. It felt to me at least, like you were actually suggesting we consider keeping him alive, and so yeah, I get why roundbox would turn his read based on that.

We had to have a conversation about being careful not to waste the day phase by insta'ing him, so if you were just suggesting saving him to see how people felt, that seems like a bit of a 'read the room' moment.

If we don't lynch Antori here, we're doing the same dumb town mistakes as in TPB.

There's no reason to keep an anti-town KP alive and it's guaranteed that we don't mislynch a townie if we lynch him. It's just too good to not do it.

We should be talking about how to handle the event tbh.

I feel like in general, my inclination as town is to stay the ever-loving crap away from anything that inserts randomness into the game. There's already enough randomness to make me uneasy. We've got one confirmed 3p and one claimed 3p, and the claimed 3p said he didn't have a daychat meaning they weren't a 'team' and so I worry that anybody who strongly advocates for playing games where maybe people randomly die are people who only need 1 person to live to win the game.

Mellon_Collie was the only death last night, next to a modkill.

What are odds, this game, with a confirmed wolf team (dragonmega flip), that wolves don't submit a kill.

There's a reason why Antori doesn't go through with the idea I had.

Town should re-read this entire day phase under assumption that Antori is the wolf faction carrying out the wolf kill.

This is interesting if true, because when we lynch Antori, if he's a wolf, that means the wolf team doesn't have anybody who can conceal their kills or presumably mellon's camera wouldn't have worked.

This is interesting if false, because when we lynch Antori, if he's NOT a wolf, that means the town/3p has somebody who can block kills besides Antori (Since he used kill rather than roleblock) or somehow all the wolves aren't playing.

Antori isn't third party. Antori is the wolf.

We'll find out shortly. More important is what we think it means if he is or is not the wolf. For reasons explained above, if he -is- a wolf, I turn to funnygurl next. if he's -not- a wolf, I'm....less sure. Going to post a thing after this about postcounts that hopefully can drive some progress on that front.

And this entire day phase, everyone played along with Antori being a third party, because that's what Antori told us.

I'm saying to re-read this phase from the point of view that Antori isn't a third party, and is just the vanilla wolf kill. Everyone defending Antori or trying to shoot at angles at viability for Antori look really bad.

You're entering into the 'yeah we get it' phase. I say as I keep quoting these to respond to them :P

Should probably add that there's basically nothing anyone can say at this point that won't make me un-think that Funnygurl is a wolf. Regardless of whether or not Antori flips wolf or 3p, the lynch should be Funnygurl unless there is some flips during next night phase that play out similar to the current one.

As I mentioned above, if Antori's a wolf I'm right here with you, but if Antori's not, what makes you still dead dead set against FG?

from the looks of antori's role peek, it looks like he has to submit a kill or die after 3 strikes or something. that's not a wolf role, that's straight up third party, and the entire discussion revolving around this that gs is stirring up stinks of bad town play imo. don't think a wolf gets that caught up in semantics multiple times in a day thinking they're onto something hot like that i think

My read was that he has to do a kill or roleblock a kill, and that he can fail three times before he dies. We have no proof that roleblock is his second thing he can do. I could imagine a way this is a wolf role, but I have no idea if what I'm thinking of is common or feasible. I agree with you that I think gs is probably town, but I don't know if I agree that thinking Antori might be a wolf is obviously bad town play.

I have no idea where devonin sits for me yet, and Funnygurl, well. yeah.

Anything I can comment on, or talk about to help you get a better read on me?

I'm requesting to be voted as number 9 on the current on-going event, but it's a fairly big gamble on my side.

staaahhhppp. It's not just a big gamble on your side since I think almost everybody is in agreement that you're town. Engaging with randomness that can kill people as town feels like really bad town play to me and makes me suspect you again.

Well if you know that I understand your role pretty well, I want you to think of how to stay alive this game.

Nobody should be thinking of how Antori stays alive, not even Antori. If he's a wolf, I don't want to know the opinion he has on reads on his way to death. If he's 3p I don't know if I can -trust- any of his reads on his way to death, and if he's town I -definitely- can't trust any of his reads because boy oh boy picking mellon_collie to kill when you didn't necessarily even need to kill anybody is not the kind of town play that inspires confidence.

I have a theory that you're also a lost wolf and that you announced your night kill.

How would this work? See previous post for not really getting the whole 'lost wolf' thing. If there's a wolf team and a lost wolf, can they both submit a kill? Does whoever does it first get the kill and the other one's fizzles? The only game I was ever a wolf I was a master wolf, and we all just agreed on a kill and told the host.

i dont think that far ahead into the game i sure i would of picked a diffrent target for n2

This is the right answer
He's town

I don't like the idea that he thinks a good choice to kill as not-a-wolf is somebody he thinks is contributing and that he doesn't think is a wolf. If he actually tried to kill DBP I would have hoped it was either for inactivity (thus why he subbed out) or because he thought he was a wolf (thus shouldn't have changed his attack from me just because I'm 'new') but "I decided to kill a good player, and when the good player got subbed out, I picked another good player" followed by "I didn't bother thinking ahead" when he has a "three strikes you die" mechanic? Even if he's town, he's not playing it very well.

[Dafty.Pixel]

Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

this post... contains a coded message?
coded messages aren't legal, Dafty

Oh ok you talk about the ( - ......... )

Nah, is not a coded message. i just find this meme on google image this morning :P

i didn't see the dot the first time i save the image XD!!!!