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  • Celirra
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2015
    • 749

    #46
    Re: Survivor (TV show)

    Season 1, Episode 8: Thy Name Is Duplicity

    I love how Sean gets special notice for his alphabet strategy in the recap, like it’s some game-changing strategic plan. Ya know, instead of the alliance banding against Gretchen or something that tells about the game in a notable way.

    There was a CONSPIRACY!!!!! That’s right, a CONSPIRACY is afoot! It was a BLOODBATH! Sean said it himself, there was nothing but STRATEGY involved with the vote. What a fiendish, dastardly plot!

    Honestly, props to Sue for going along with the flow but still keeping her heart true to her original 4. I’d say Sue was pretty integral to the overall strategy actually working. Like if you ask me, she’s a better leader than Hatch, at least from what’s shown within season 1.

    Honestly, Greg’s philosophy on the game really isn’t wrong, I think he was just the first example of someone who was too obvious about it. Like, even though it was clear that there was an alliance between the tagi 4, they were much more subtle about it, and less schemy and devious in their methods around camp.

    Greg’s video from home is terrific, from what I recall of what I’ve heard his sister actually made a lot of awkward innuendos actually that didn’t make the cut, which adds to Greg’s weird character I’d say. The videos are much cuter than a physical family meeting I’d say, like honestly it just feels much more… impactful almost. Plus, I don’t like in modern survivor when the family member gets involved in a challenge either. Videos from home are a nice way to keep them connected, but still keep the family a bit distant from the rest of the island, as it should be. Also, poor Jenna, I couldn’t imagine how heartbreaking that would be, especially after having just watched all the other loved ones’ videos.

    Gervase with the parent card is actually really interesting, and his insight is actually pretty spot-on, even if a bit… cynical I suppose. He actually has pretty good analysis of what’s going on, it’s a shame he didn’t pair that with good strategy or he’d likely be quite a force to be reckoned with. He did try of course, but… well not enough I suppose, and not well enough. Bummer for him, good potential if nothing else.

    Cool immunity challenge. It was a bit comical because I can’t see the rope with how bad my video’s quality is, so most of what I see is a bunch of people just running around and falling over for no reason. A bit glad Gervase won because I do enjoy him more than some others at this point.

    I’m glad strategy is becoming a bit relevant finally, gives me stuff to talk about in theory. Of course, there wasn’t enough to it in this episode, but it laid the groundwork at least. The fact that people still “vote with their conscience” makes it hard to analyze and strategize too much, since it’s a whole nother factor to incorporate, one that can’t really be hypothesized too much. I think Hatch almost got fundamentally lucky that he had more people who wanted to ally than Gervase had, though that can also be chalked up to Hatch trying to form a voting bloc sooner than Gervase.

    Sad to see the alphabetical strategy finds its first flaw - despite it, can’t vote for people who are immune! What will happen next?! Will he go back in order and vote for Gervase next? Time will tell!

    Greg’s crying at the end was, despite being iconic to greg, probably the first time he genuinely annoyed me. I’m really not a fan of fake crying. Anyways, Greg is a legend in my mind, truly one of a kind. Sad he never did anything ever outside of Survivor S1.
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    • the sun fan
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      • Mar 2017
      • 656

      #47
      Re: Survivor (TV show)

      they've been trying to get Greg back forever
      he's declined everything from All-Stars (good for him) to Second Chance (though he finally said he was interested in coming back)

      I think he's overhyped sorry he's only a little bit funny
      Last edited by the sun fan; 02-1-2018, 08:11 AM.
      TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

      FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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      • Celirra
        FFR Player
        • Apr 2015
        • 749

        #48
        Re: Survivor (TV show)

        Originally posted by the sun fan
        I think he's overhyped sorry he's only a little bit funny
        I've come around on him a bit; I don't think he's the most hilarious character by any stretch, but his eccentricity is definitely unique and iconic, and adds a certain charm to what goes on S1. I'd say he's a good example of someone who's entertaining for non-satirical (irony, etc) reasons .
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        • mellonxcollie
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          • Dec 2006
          • 1301

          #49
          Re: Survivor (TV show)

          Watched the first episode of season one yesterday. Catching up to u Celery > : D
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          • Celirra
            FFR Player
            • Apr 2015
            • 749

            #50
            Re: Survivor (TV show)

            Originally posted by mellonxcollie
            Watched the first episode of season one yesterday. Catching up to u Celery > : D

            I'll hopefully be finished S1 by the end of Friday, at least mostly. Goodluck!
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            • Celirra
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2015
              • 749

              #51
              Re: Survivor (TV show)

              Season 1, Episode 9: Old and New Bonds


              I love Richard’s comments on Probst, something about contestants commenting on Jeff always makes me giggle, like it’s breaking the fourth wall almost to me. I know in this season Jeff is almost a friend to the survivors with how much he interacts with them, but that really does fall apart later on, which just adds to the comedy with it.

              I think it’s sad that Kelly is in such denial about the alliance situation, to the point where she talks against it like it’s some horrible thing. Yet despite that, she still goes along with it (well, even)... I’m not really fond of this kind of trait in people naturally, it was probably just to come to terms morally with it by making excuses for it and making it seem like she, in fact, did not like what she was doing despite being fully complicit.

              “I mean, I sort of liked him, before I knew he was queer!” honestly the whole tone of this confuses me but wow Rudy, your whole world view is falling apart. It’s almost like he’s coming to terms with it somewhat, despite having a similar denial about it like Kelly and co. do with regards to alliances.

              I’m… somewhat with Colleen on this one, like I eat a ton of meats and fished and such, but I don’t much enjoy watching my food getting cut up and such.

              Richard pulling a bit of a Hantz with his elective to not catch fish for a while to make them appreciate him more, to yearn for the fish etc. Unfortunate that it only ended up making him look like a fool since the women got a fish without him, but I can respect the attempt, and understand where he was coming from with his petty frustration.

              I’m happy the challenges are finally getting more interesting and high-effort, I hate ropes courses and can’t do them personally, but they’re fun to watch and feel very... Survivor-y.

              I’m glad Jenna was brought along for the reward, and a part of me is actually surprised she wasn’t just handed the victory so she could get her letter. I don’t remember which season it was, but there was a newer season where they all just chose people to win a challenge based on criteria of needs and such.

              Sean being the doofy swing vote is unfortunate for Pagong… It’s too bad they didn’t know about what was happening with Kelly’s internal struggles, or at least didn’t capitalize well enough off them, she might’ve swapped if they pressured her to enough.

              Richard being naked is probably his dumbest strategic decision. I think that’s all I should say about his nude birthday arc, because the topic is pretty… controversial with some, like Jenna.

              I’m really glad Sean’s terrific alphabetic order strategy is being covered more, it really is the pinnacle of cunning and thought, it’s too bad the girls found a way around it. I wonder if he would self vote if he reached that point.

              Hurray for Rudy winning the immunity challenge that probably didn’t change anything anyways. Still happy he won something regardless though, most older contestants on Survivor don’t really ever do anything, I’m glad he broke the mold.

              I retract my prior statement, Pagong had a great attempt at converting Kelly to their side. Perhaps too subtle in nature though, unfortunately.

              Sue hit the nail on the head about Sean I’d say with his voting decision making method. Not having the guts to make a decision like that, I’d say is a big part of it. I don’t know if I would’ve called him an idiot to his face like that, but his not thinking Jenna was on the table and not recognizing the voting bloc does prove his idiocy.

              Man, Sean’s face when Jenna went home was like a “Awww no, I screwed up!!” it was such a perfect ditzy look of…. Well, oh.

              The way Jeff said “J for Jenna” for the last vote was such a cool send off. I’m not terribly sad about Jenna going, though I do really feel for her about the video from home fiasco. I’d definitely say Sean’s strategy saved the Tagi 4.

              Oh.
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              • Charu
                Snivy! Dohoho!
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Mar 2006
                • 6207

                #52
                Re: Survivor (TV show)

                Next time I TWG, I'm gonna employ sean's tactic. It seems to be something that works, yeah?


                Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                Had a very shiny nose
                And if you ever saw it
                You could even say it glows

                All of the other Snivies
                Used to laugh and call him names
                They never let poor Charu
                Join in any Snivy games

                (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                Originally posted by Vendetta21
                All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                • the sun fan
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 656

                  #53
                  Re: Survivor (TV show)

                  Originally posted by Charu
                  Next time I TWG, I'm gonna employ sean's tactic. It seems to be something that works, yeah?
                  it sure voted people off, it did
                  TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                  FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                  • mellonxcollie
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                    • Dec 2006
                    • 1301

                    #54
                    Re: Survivor (TV show)

                    Originally posted by Celirra
                    I'll hopefully be finished S1 by the end of Friday, at least mostly. Goodluck!
                    like... tomorrow?!?! You survivor superfan !!!

                    if you mean next week, challenge on bucko
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                    • the sun fan
                      FFR Player
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 656

                      #55
                      Re: Survivor (TV show)

                      Originally posted by mellonxcollie
                      like... tomorrow?!?! You survivor superfan !!!

                      if you mean next week, challenge on bucko
                      he meant tomorrow
                      TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                      FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                      • Celirra
                        FFR Player
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 749

                        #56
                        Re: Survivor (TV show)

                        Season 1, Episode 10: Crack in the Alliance

                        I think it’s really interesting how it was changed last minute to Jenna, and to hear it from Rudy; I assume this is to trick Sean into thinking Jenna wasn’t vulnerable so he would use his impeccable voting strategy in the natural order and go for Jenna, which he wouldn’t have done if he thought Jenna was the target. Swapping to last minute breaks chances of anyone telling Sean of the change of plans, and reduces risk.
                        That or she just annoyed Sue too much in the end.

                        How does Sean still have doubts about there being an alliance? Is he maybe afraid of being confrontational by addressing the alliance or something? Or is it more that he doesn’t want to admit he wasn’t brought into the alliance?

                        Perhaps an unpopular opinion: I think Sue is a better player than Hatch. She’s better at playing the whole game I’d say, she’s strategic and an analyst, perhaps less of a strategist but she’s better at analyzing and using the assets she has.

                        So this sets the stones for the ultimate betrayal between Sue and Kelly, which is definitely one of the high(low)lights of the season, with what ends up going down. I’d say that was Sue’s only negative in the game: she chose the wrong person to ally with to the end, which in my mind she couldn’t have even known. I think Kelly would’ve beaten Sue in the F2 mind you, but Sue would’ve beaten Hatch.

                        Gervase getting special notice for having a baby, is… interesting and strange to me, because I don’t think Survivors usually get (nor should they honestly) any info about what goes on outside the island. I think it gives an unfair advantage with extra sympathy, which goes a long way. Also, if anyone but Rudy said half of what he’s saying, about family matters and such, they would get SO much flak, I think it’s hilarious. Rudy is great for speaking his mind, even if I don’t agree with him a lot.

                        Man, Survivor was much more adventurous with their music back now, I like how they actually used well-known music rather than solely their own personally made music. It adds a sense of lightheartedness and fun to the happenings, which I appreciate in healthy doses.

                        It’s interesting Rudy says he doesn’t want to see anyone else from the island again, like assuming that is true he does a pretty solid job with a poker face and putting up with them. He’s a far more patient man than me, that’s for sure. I wouldn’t be able to hide that kind of thing nearly as well, if there were people I didn’t much care for it would be very obvious.

                        I like how there’s so much depth put into characters as a whole, it’s as if I personally know Gervase at this point instead of him just being a character on a game show like a lot of modern players are. That said, Gervase definitely has the most focus I would say in that regard by a wide margin so it’s not like everyone has that treatment, but getting one life story sure beats getting none.

                        “It’s not worth it to feel like shit for the rest of your life for a little extra money and your 15 minutes” see, I really don’t understand why you’d feel like shit though. I don’t think Survivor should intrinsically be a popularity contest like a grade school class valedictorian election, so unless you are just lying to everybody there isn’t much reason to feel bad, and even then I don’t think there’s a lot of grounds for the melancholy. That, and it’s not like voting someone off is saying goodbye to them forever - even then it was the 21st century, and keeping in touch is fairly simple if both sides want to. Friends in game can easily be friends out of game, and I think most people recognize that, if not during the game then afterwards when all is said and done. The shitty feeling is definitely worth the 670 odd thousand dollars and the limelight, to me.

                        I love firemaking challenges, they’re so interesting and there’s a lot of cool methods always associated. I like this style even better though than when it’s to stay in game, because of the added process of finding kindling along a beach and a larger space overall.

                        Richard winning immunity was probably a game-winning immunity for him, because this TC was likely the best chance for his alliance (Kelly) to turn, and he would be prime target numero uno. Hell, even Rudy might’ve gone for him for his general life choices etc. and I doubt Sue would mind the chance.

                        Man, Sue is a really wise lady. I like Sue’s speeches, she’s one of the better orators of Survivor history, her whole tirade on alliances throughout America had a lot of insight and was actually quite impressive.

                        I don’t get why Gervase would vote for Sean at this point, when he was someone that Gervase was hoping to work with. I would assume that it would be in his best interest to at least vote alongside Sean in the off chance that someone in the core 4 flipped, rather than a statement vote. Though, Colleen’s vote for Sean maybe signifies that there was stuff going on behind the curtains with respect to a plan against Sean (maybe Kelly said she wanted him gone?). That or they really are just voting for who they want to be with least.

                        Bit bummed Gervase went home. Much as I love her, Colleen isn’t nearly as fun as he is at this stage of the game, and I bet Gervase had the highest potential to stir the pot at the end here… though probably couldn’t have anyways. Nice try, Bullseye.
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                        • mellonxcollie
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 1301

                          #57
                          Re: Survivor (TV show)

                          if you want to know what it feels like to have tinnitus, watch the second and third episodes of this season with a headset.
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                          • Charu
                            Snivy! Dohoho!
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 6207

                            #58
                            Re: Survivor (TV show)

                            Originally posted by mellonxcollie
                            if you want to know what it feels like to have tinnitus, watch the second and third episodes of this season with a headset.
                            Y'know, I wish there was a good, decent, site to stream it all. Besides the obvious pay to view ones, lol


                            Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                            Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                            Had a very shiny nose
                            And if you ever saw it
                            You could even say it glows

                            All of the other Snivies
                            Used to laugh and call him names
                            They never let poor Charu
                            Join in any Snivy games

                            (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                            Originally posted by Vendetta21
                            All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                            • Charu
                              Snivy! Dohoho!
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 6207

                              #59
                              Re: Survivor (TV show)

                              Unless the pay to view ones also have that problem?

                              lmao if so, nice recording.


                              Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                              Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                              Had a very shiny nose
                              And if you ever saw it
                              You could even say it glows

                              All of the other Snivies
                              Used to laugh and call him names
                              They never let poor Charu
                              Join in any Snivy games

                              (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                              Originally posted by Vendetta21
                              All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                              • Celirra
                                FFR Player
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 749

                                #60
                                Re: Survivor (TV show)

                                It definitely is annoying watching these older seasons on poor streaming sites. The quality never was terrific, but it's even worse now, and I don't think most pay to view sites even have the older seasons anymore. It's particularly unfortunate in some cases, where it's hard to make out important elements of challenges, or to be able to see people clearly.

                                I'd chalk it up to 70% due to the show being from 2000, and 30% due to the natural quality decline of streaming services.
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