TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

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  • tiloco217
    FFR Veteran
    • Sep 2012
    • 6

    #2056
    Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

    I think this game is very solvable now.

    First off I fibbed a little when explaining my role. The ability I've used the past two night is an angel ability where I choose a person and they cannot die during that night phase or the following day phase aside from being lynched. I blurred the line on that one so that mafia wouldn't know that I'm essentially our medic. I'm ok with revealing this because I realized either I die tonight or I never die. Mafia knowing that I'm the medic equivalent doesn't change much.

    Now what this means is there is no chance of another medic style role being in the game because I have a VERY strong medic power.

    So I wasn't saved last night.

    This means that the mafia didn't target me and I don't think there is ever a world where xiz does not target me last night if he was mafia. He would have assumed I had a red check on him and definitely wouldn't have let me live. Assuming xiz is town than mafia know I'm not a cop because I would have already checked xiz and found out he was green. This means the mafia can let me live with the guarantee that I won't bring any 100% evidence the following day.

    The mafia then hope that I lead a lynch on Xiz, then they lead the lynch on me, and then it's game over man.

    I think that a mafia manti fits into this scenario pretty easily because he started out the day on Xiz and has made it very clear that he doesn't trust me.

    Aside from that there isn't really anyone that fits great into this scenario but also there isn't anyone hard reading Xiz town. MML looks a little better because iirc he called Xiz more towny than before on his reads list.

    It doesn't surprise me much that people haven't been falling into the world because most people could just play follow the leader and vote on Xiz eod assuming I was still on him. I would have waited to post all of this to see who does something similar but I won't be around after 9 and I doubt it would happen before then.

    PS. if there is another role with info to give (I really doubt John Doe was our only investigative) keep in mind that I already chose to use my other power tonight and cannot switch.

    PPS. I don't see much of a need to reveal the other half of my role right now. Since I haven't used it yet. Suffice it to say it's significantly shittier than the angel ability.

    PPPS. My save night 1 was on Blind. Not going to out my save last night because I am still currently protecting them from day stuff.

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    • inDheart
      Picker @ JAX2
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Aug 2011
      • 505

      #2057
      Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

      Originally posted by Celirra
      In terms of Tiloco partners, I have trouble associating him with people, and I'd need to go back and look at his interactions to really tell. Prior to flip, I could almost see a Tiloco/Freezin pairing if anything; I don't think Tiloco has many potential pairings admittedly, should he be a wolf, and honestly I'm leaning to the side of his blue claim being true.


      i believe there were some interactions clearing a tiloco/freezin pair and said so coming into d1 (and maybe even on d0 as well in my read of tiloco) - freezin would have no need to shape tiloco's play to his expectations and tiloco would have no need to resist those expectations as a w/w pair. borders on performances art

      if you see tiloco clear of several pairings, mind running through what you see as clearing?

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      • tiloco217
        FFR Veteran
        • Sep 2012
        • 6

        #2058
        Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

        Xiz and Indheart are both lock clear for me now. I still think DBP is the most towny from play but the other two are pretty much confirmed imo.

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        • inDheart
          Picker @ JAX2
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Aug 2011
          • 505

          #2059
          Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

          Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
          I'm pretty much caught up and I'm not sure what to say outside of what i've already said with my HOt fIRe OpiNIONs.

          i think tokzic is town now though and dbp is town. blind is probably scum because he was for xel staying. with that being said the blind and mml interactions have me thinking w/t with.
          what changed on dbp? your HOT FIRE OPINIONS had him more scummy the way i read it

          what about the blind/mml interactions makes them look w/t? and is that ordered - if blind's a wolf is mml always town?

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          • Wayward Vagabond
            Confirmed Heartbreaker
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jul 2012
            • 5866

            #2060
            Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

            Originally posted by Celirra
            I accept your reasoning with a * attached but this is giving me a bit of a claw grip



            What do you consider more important; finding wolves or staying alive?
            Finding wolves duh

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            • Celirra
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2015
              • 749

              #2061
              Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

              Originally posted by tiloco217
              PPPS. My save night 1 was on Blind. Not going to out my save last night because I am still currently protecting them from day stuff.
              Im curious why you chose to save blind instead of roundbox but I don't think that's important for the game right now. At the least I kinda wanna hear why in postgame if what you hear is true.

              I don't think you needed to come out and say this btw and I think it makes you look a bit more suspect. But I stand by what I said earlier about you.
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              • Wayward Vagabond
                Confirmed Heartbreaker
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Jul 2012
                • 5866

                #2062
                Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                Originally posted by inDheart
                what changed on dbp? your HOT FIRE OPINIONS had him more scummy the way i read it

                what about the blind/mml interactions makes them look w/t? and is that ordered - if blind's a wolf is mml always town?
                Instead of just reading dbp posts I took into account others reads on him who I consider town as well as the reads of confirmed towns. His second eod made more sense as well as his first

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                • tiloco217
                  FFR Veteran
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 6

                  #2063
                  Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                  I didn't save roundbox because he lead the counter-wagon on me

                  I think I did need to come out because it basically confirms Xiz

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                  • Celirra
                    FFR Player
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 749

                    #2064
                    Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                    Originally posted by inDheart


                    i believe there were some interactions clearing a tiloco/freezin pair and said so coming into d1 (and maybe even on d0 as well in my read of tiloco) - freezin would have no need to shape tiloco's play to his expectations and tiloco would have no need to resist those expectations as a w/w pair. borders on performances art

                    if you see tiloco clear of several pairings, mind running through what you see as clearing?
                    I'm on mobile right now eating yummy yummy pho and I don't want to stress my patience running through quote by quote on mobile right now, but even if so I wouldn't be able to give much. It's not that there's much specifically t/t; rather, there's just very few people (see:none anymore) I could see as specifically being aligned with him. I'm fairly bad at that kind of thing admittedly rather than some distinct things that set me off (did a bit of that d1) but I just don't see many who could be wolves with him.
                    Are there any pairings you're considering? I could attempt to argue against them if so to give you an understanding of my mindspace (I'll be unhappy if you say everyone is a pairing and you know it)
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                    • tiloco217
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 6

                      #2065
                      Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                      The only world where Xiz could have been mafia is if the mafia tried to kill me and I got saved.

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                      • Wayward Vagabond
                        Confirmed Heartbreaker
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 5866

                        #2066
                        Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                        The way I saw blind/MML was blind playing stupid to get on mmls nerves keeping him from really focusing on anyone else.

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                        • the sun fan
                          FFR Player
                          • Mar 2017
                          • 656

                          #2067
                          Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                          Votecount:
                          Xiz (1)- Manti
                          Manti (1)- Lar
                          blind (1)- Xiz
                          TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                          FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                          • inDheart
                            Picker @ JAX2
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 505

                            #2068
                            Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed



                            please help me fill in the gaps and fix if i'm misrepping anything you said. your reads should be in the same row as your name, and i have a bunch of comments on this doc sourcing the colors

                            X is a vote from the row player on the column player today

                            my own reads are mostly based on the eod wagons still and i need to make up my mind on manti and wv

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                            • inDheart
                              Picker @ JAX2
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 505

                              #2069
                              Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                              didn't notice xiz's vote, fixing that already

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                              • inDheart
                                Picker @ JAX2
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 505

                                #2070
                                Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                                Originally posted by Celirra
                                I'm on mobile right now eating yummy yummy pho and I don't want to stress my patience running through quote by quote on mobile right now, but even if so I wouldn't be able to give much. It's not that there's much specifically t/t; rather, there's just very few people (see:none anymore) I could see as specifically being aligned with him. I'm fairly bad at that kind of thing admittedly rather than some distinct things that set me off (did a bit of that d1) but I just don't see many who could be wolves with him.
                                Are there any pairings you're considering? I could attempt to argue against them if so to give you an understanding of my mindspace (I'll be unhappy if you say everyone is a pairing and you know it)
                                at this point it's not much more useful than a thought exercise, as i think tiloco is again not an option today. just wanted to figure out where your head was

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