TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Celirra]

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Brief thoughts on this night:

1) Light is making the bare minimum effort in my mind and isn't really... saying much to find wolves. Either disinterested town or wolf. Xel, I do wanna hear why you're so insistent on light being town.

2) I have trouble with a world where Xel/Light are W/W unless Xel is truly playing the obvious pairing game. W/T is possible for sure I think.

3) From there, I am actually a bit confident that Sound/Xel is W/T based on recent developments mostly; I wanna go back to D0 and look it over a bit but I doubt I'd find much, given how inactive Xel was.


So:

Between Xel/Light/Sound, I'd motion there as 1 to 2 wolves; Either Light/Sound (this made me giggle due to your names), or only Xel; unless Xel is really fooling me. I'd sooner say Xel/Sound than Xel/Light as W/W, but I'd even sooner say each of those pairs is W/T.

And, given that I'd sooner say Light than either of the other two cuties, following this procedure I'd be comfortable with Light/Sound for lynch.


But again, this is all over the night's analysis and some preconceived notions of the people in question, and is missing a lot of rigorous analysis of the game. I'm gonna go over and read back a bit (see: a bit more than a bit at the least).

[Celirra]

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did I say light? I meant freezin

[Celirra]

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I guess you two are similar in some ways and that might be why I read freezin as such, oops.

[Celirra]

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Soundwave

I call wolf precognition.

I'm gonna bring attention to this too actually, and the replied to comment.

WRT that,

Nah don't think light is a hit

I feel like to develop those thoughts on Soundwave while overlooking Freezin, is a bit.. silly; but, I also can't help doing similar so I might be silly too.
While it isn't distinctive evidence and I wouldn't throw down on it, it is things like this that make Freezin a bit suspicious




also, I don't remember if I got an explanation of this as I asked for actually, but I haven't looked over start of D1 in a little bit, I will do so after I post this and you can all laugh at me if I just did another silly thing.
I know he explained me but I want more detail. Who could the +1 be? Why this pairing specifically, or is it a matter of independent cases?

don't let him slip by. xiz, celery, xel, +1 is a real world

also, for future and my own reference, dead EoD targets:

I'm gonna meta read Celery as TOWN for keeping consistency across games. As someone who has openly admitted to never being a wolf (and me reading him very correctly in the last turbo, a game I was actually trying in), I feel like he is playing to his standard this game.

I think I forgot to state a quick few things about Freezin last post that make me feel he is pretty much always town from my POV and relates to my concept of consistency.

Freezin's anger/abrasiveness started off at a low boil (telling MML to go "drink a glass of water") and has escalated into what you see now. His consistent aggression is of notice, and I don't think anything is necessarily out of place.
A shower thought made me recollect why Freezin is so concerned on the flimsy T/T reads that people are providing is because of something he said in the postgame of our previous bigTWG. He stated that getting into an open argument in thread seems to almost always get you townread, which he admitted was a strategy he used as a wolf to get some town cred. His partners were able to easily townread him by piggybacking off of this "hey a wolf wouldn't be this obvious and get into a fight, so this interaction MUST be t/t" logic which seems to pervade in FFR's analysis of common threads. Freezin being increasingly skeptic of this tactic being used to manipulate people is more along the lines of towniness, far from any "I'm gonna be a dickish wolf so I can distance myself from everybody" strategy.

Also, the Persona 5 thing LUL

tiloco

arm wrestle me, fuckers

[in reply to DBP]

cognitive dissonance, half a town point

air of suspicion around xel, will revisit this thought

I'm fine with this being a wagon.

tiloco217

Thank you Soundwave.

I can only provide what I feel is true.


It's true that dabackpack is coming down hard on me, and that could be because he is either genuinely curious to my playstyle, or he is already aware and that he wants to use it as a picking point to accuse me of being a wolf. I've played with backpack for a few games now, and the meta I get from him is that he is often a player with an internal ambition that's often hidden behind an amicable approach from a town perspective. This is the root of my uneasiness.

I also feel like MixMasterLar is doing the same thing, and looking for the next easiest excuse to push for a lynch.

I'm going to leave my vote on DabackPack, because I feel that I'm being pushed against strongly, and that it's a deliberate move coordinated by the wolves to pile votes onto me. I'm not saying for sure that dabackpack is a wolf, only that he is a catalyst in a mislynch, if you guys choose to lynch me. I honestly don't have more to provide than this.

also for what it's worth, haku and round were both convinced of light as town. Maybe there was a wolf on the light wagon pressuring it.

[Celirra]

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also I hope Xiz comes around to chime in eventually.


also I hope InD didn't walk into another pole, it'd be cool to hear his thoughts, he's still wolf leaning a bit for me.


also WV you replaced in then didn't do diddly, pls say something (I see you lurking now!!)


Also sup to the other quiet people who I'll hold off naming right now, like Tokzik and DBP and Hawaii

also has blind really contributed much this game...? I don't remember, so if he has he didn't do anything to leave an impact on me.

[Celirra]

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Also I don't think I like soundwave as much after looking over EoD too.

And I also think Tiloco/Hawaiian shirt/whatever I'm deciding to call him for now is a bit more iffy the more and more I look at him.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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i've read through most of this thread at least twice and it's pretty hard to come up with anything that hasn't already been mentioned. I would have more to say about people if this wasn't my first game. It also doesn't help that there are people here who I hardly ever see post outside of twg or at all and those that have I'm unsure of whether or not to take their posting habits there and apply them here.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Scum leaned

Wayward Vagabond - That Raeko post I quoted has me concerned. This one can change easily with townie oriented posts to come I hope.

how would you even know what a town post from me would look like if this is my first game?

[Celirra]

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It also doesn't help that there are people here who I hardly ever see post outside of twg or at all and those that have I'm unsure of whether or not to take their posting habits there and apply them here.

Most people are pretty different here; any kind of meta reads are from past TWG games rather than past forum encounters. It's usually the people who can't detach from their forum identity that make for poor TWG players, as they tend to take things to heart too much or get too emotional.

Also, welcome to twg, buddy

[blindreper1179]

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also I hope Xiz comes around to chime in eventually.


also I hope InD didn't walk into another pole, it'd be cool to hear his thoughts, he's still wolf leaning a bit for me.


also WV you replaced in then didn't do diddly, pls say something (I see you lurking now!!)


Also sup to the other quiet people who I'll hold off naming right now, like Tokzik and DBP and Hawaii

also has blind really contributed much this game...? I don't remember, so if he has he didn't do anything to leave an impact on me.

My contributions are almost always all connections. I'm bad at solving this game.

[Celirra]

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My contributions are almost always all connections. I'm bad at solving this game.

I'll give you brownie points if you try and give a bit of a reads list

[Xiz]

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Hi


Yesterday I couldn't even spend 5 minutes on ffr

I'll be posting soon
I'm home now so from now on I'll be logging in frequently
Just gotta finish moving boxes then I'll be good to go

[Wayward Vagabond]

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you need to hit at least 817 posts and you have a lot of catching up to do

[tiloco217]

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About Xel: I think that if anyone but Xel had made his big post I would have liked it. The thought process was clearly laid out and most things he said felt pretty natural. That said I can't shake the feeling that he was basically required to do an effort post like that. It could be confirmation bias but I'm not pulling him out of scumlean on that post alone.

@Xel about roundbox: Posting a mafia read on me and then immediately voting is random when he didn't vocally have that read before then. I also didn't like his reasoning behind it. It's not hard to make an argument for just about anyone to be mafia so not seeing the progression + not liking the reasoning was enough for me to be wary. The same logic applies to freezin. Saying <10 minutes before eod that light shouldn't be the lynch isn't hard to do as mafia but I don't think he has a reason to as mafia in this scenario.

@Cel about my mafia team statement at eod: It was individual reads with no reason to believe that any of you couldn't be partners. I think you are actually in the most worlds right now btw but that probably comes from you being around a shorter amount of time.

@WV: how much experience do you have with the game in general? Other forums, Live, irl, etc...

About Tokzic: I started writing this mostly about his scumlean on me but after iso'ing him he's looking VERY scummy all of a sudden. I didn't like his opening because it was just a couple reads with no reasoning and then gone for a day. He didn't have any other significant moments until the last 6 or so hours of day0 he came back with a bunch of relaxed posts spinning a world where the mafia are mostly in talkative people. I've already said that I think he could easily make relaxed posts as either alignment so that doesn't matter much. However I'm reading most of the talkative people towny so him spinning that world doesn't jive well with me. (Note he also made a list that he said had 2 mafia including Xiz, Xel, DBP, and Blind. I would not put it past him to make a swag play and put two partners in that. Very very light read and totally confirmation bias). His scumlean on me is weird too. His reasoning behind it is shaky and mostly consists of things he never said so it's hard to analyze well.

I probably want Tokzic dead more than I want Xel dead now. A reads list with in depth explanations on a few (asking for in depth on all is probably a bit much) would be really helpful.

@Soundwave: Not liking your latest contributions but I'm going to reserve judgement until after you get back. Again, reads list with in depth explanations on a few would help a lot.

@Xiz: Looking forward to your effort post

@MML: Every time you say Triloco I die a little inside

[Tokzic]

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how is nobody talking about dbp or xel after that eod