TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Kind of did that homework for you if you'd be so kind as to actually read my posts.

okay i weel

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

I'm gonna kinda begin from BoD but skip some of the prewrites because while sure they're cool, I'm sure they got covered by now.

And this is gonna be sloppy, I'm only gonna devote an hour and a half to this post if it kills me.

Bar this one:

Xel is playing this game very weird. I’m pretty sure he’s the shitposting type and there has been very little of that from him. Instead we got early game content and then nothing but the occasional quip (and even those aren’t shitposty. they tend to be something seemingly productive that he never goes back to). The biggest issue I have with him is that he was present for many hours leading up to eod and would occasionally drop a comment on something said but he would never actually do anything. Being around for that long he had to have had some time to actually put some effort in but he just never did.

I wanna state before I address this: I am not making excuses for my lack of EoD, and this SHOULD be ignored when reading me, which is why I'm spoiling it so you can skip it if you feel you can't ignore it.

It was one of those days where I just failed to have an attention span. I was trying to write posts, but I couldn't get myself to hammer at a post for more than ten minutes or so. It's very difficult to have cohesive content, and not allow for opportunistic mistakes when I can't sit there for more than ten minutes.

Now for the votes on me

The votes on me were roundbox, haku, and freezin and I think they were in that order but haku and freezin might have been switched.

roundbox going on me randomly is very interesting. I think there’s a strong case to be made for this being either alignment. I’m going to have to go over his posts more when I have time and consistent internet. I think his read on me was something like “flipping on xiz a lot means he’s stuck between wanting to play with him and wanting to evaluate him fairly”. If he hadn’t voted on me I would have probably assumed he thought I was town from that. It’s fairly true but I don’t understand how being torn by wanting to evaluate him is a mafia sided problem. Please elaborate or tell me how badly I misinterpreted your read.

Going back and *actually* skimming through roundbox's posts on you, it wasn't really that random. He says (I have added your quotes in to save you some effort

Xiz poking his head back in was nice. tbh him playing is a pretty big part of why I decided to play so I'm probably not going to read him very well because I want him to be town. He seems towny

Here is a point of inconsistency I saw in tiloco. He attributes his signing up to the game heavily on Xiz, and gives him a very easy townread here just for... existing?

Xiz (man I want you to be town but I ain't feelin it): You started off really strong which seemed weird but people assured me that it was normal. Then you did nothing. Then you came back with late reaction posts and they didn't seem real at all. I had a very hard time figuring out where your head was at while reading them. Going to need something better from you

^^^ from my reads list

I'm fairly sure there is 1 mafia between Xiz and Freezin. Both seem fairly possible mafia to me but I really doubt they are mafia together from the past hour or so. I'm still leaning Xiz right now though

He went from giving him a very easy town pass to this. The skepticism is appreciated, but at the same time we see an issue crop back up immediately as he flips his read on Xiz, giving a sense of ambivalence on the whole thing.

Like I said I don't feel comfortable killing Xiz when he didn't have enough time to respond to pressure. I waited too long to really get started on him and when I actually felt like I might get somewhere he had to leave. I'd rather keep him until tomorrow when I can read him better

tiloco latching back onto Xiz as being a non-candidate feels like his state of mind is due to some cognitive dissonance of wanting to play with Xiz and wanting to evaluate him fairly. Giving him a free pass, going to hard scumread, to saying "ehhh too early I goofed and I want there to be material here" is of grave concern.

Consider this my CONTROVERSIAL READ OF THE DAY: tiloco scummy.

So his vote on you isn't that surprising? Especially since his swap to you is within 5 minutes or so of the post I just quoted.

Freezin’s vote on me is noteworthy because it means he didn’t vote on light which I think he would do as mafia. I doubt he would have gotten any slack for putting it on light there as he already said he wants inactives dead. Him instead bandwagoning on me is fairly towny I think.

It's really not because he says:

So 10 mins till eod and there's no counterwagon.

Scumleans: mello, tilco

Null tending down: soundwave, light

People who confuse me: dbp, xiz

Thats my bottom half of my reads after reading through.

I'm most OK with xiz although I have reservations I've voiced before.

I'd like Mello to become a wagon more than light tbh

Well my post took too long so now it's irrelevant.

I'm looking for people trying to bail out nakah and not really seeing it. Is he really a hit?

So him voting you is a sign that he thinks the light wagon is bad, which in hindsight yeah, leads me to also conclude he'd be more townie.

But outside of hindsight, I arrive at the same conclusion. Because he's still trying to direct the wagon away from a hit he fears is bad.

The only one that I think comes out possibly mafia in my votes is roundbox and that’s pretty tentative. At first I found that really weird but very few people in the thread had a good reason to vote on me outside of those three so if any of them jumped on the bandwagon then when I came back town they would look really bad. I had been taken off the table by a pretty large percentage of the game at that point. Come to think of it that makes roundbox even less likely to try to start after me as mafia.

I already kinda went over Roundbox, so I completely disagree with this conclusion, even if he wasn't flopped. His jump onto you was semi-premeditated, and not exactly, backed up terribly.

Ok then, looks like two factions.

So let's talk about just this part of your post seriously. What made you so quick to jump to the notion that there's two factions rather than stating there's a possibility of a vigi-type roll? Why do you completely just post nothing but white noise about some iso of blind and tiloco and end it with no actually worth while conclusion? Town MML would have walked out of that ready to fire shots at one of them I think. Especially when you state that you're leaning blind scummy when you walk out of that iso.

So why the fucking shit do you decide I'm a better vote over all of that work you just did?

Rewind the record and put yourself in wolf tiloco's shoes.

Does the stack of votes scare you?

Maybe.

But night falls, it's time to choose your mark, and you calm down. Do you kill off your voters?

Maybe. It was a close call.

But you only do it if the situation threatens to be as drastic the following night.

Not really sure why you're speculating on Tiloco's wolf tacts. You can sumerize this into "do you think wolf tiloco kills one of his voters?" and have been done?

The alternative, Haku wolfed and roundbox shot, is even weirder because why would you shoot roundbox right now?

Also to be kept in mind: I would think a 1-shot vigi claims in this scenario so if it doesn't happen then a potential vigi is multi-shot

I'm liking you less as this goes on by the way. Your theory crafting is overshot by the self assured tone of your post.

I guess that's not impossible in a mystery game but I find it unlikely. There was a third party last time, there likely is this time as well.

Am I over-reading into this as an inconsistency?

still, why not xel? you had been considering him and the wagons were not huge at all

I too would like to see this response. You said something very peculiar:

Xel you better post more in d1


I really dont like the game you're playing!!!!!!!!!!


Are you shy

only the wolves will bite, but hopefully we'll get one tonight

but why would a wolf be scared of wolves

Also worth noting a general lack of follow up pressure on me after making such a post.

Nice.

I legit don't know who has the better point between Blind and Xel lol (Concerning Haku)

I think both Haku and Roundbox where generally townread (Haku WAY more so) that what we really should be getting out of this is that it wasn't a town friendly Vigi....unless that Vigi is dumb as bricks. Past that, there really isn't anything to speculate on.

Nice attempt to shovel a discussion into an early grave btw. I'd be more ok with this if you had directed it to a better topic.

soundwave

whether this is actual wolfiness or just me being annoyed is something i'll sleep on

Noting this to see if it's revisted or not.

He lied here because HE COULD OF FUCKING CLAIMED, but he has a point.

I'm also curious to something. Of the people on the LK train, pick the one(s) you'd say were likely the scum pushers.

Haku dying doesn't surprise me at all. Roundbox is a pretty weird one and I agree that it was probably a non-town aligned third party kill. That would make the most sense to me unless we just have a yoloing vigi

I do wish you were still here to explain why you think RB is a third party kill so confidently...

But alas. I missed my chance.

To do list:

Wagon analysis
Necro reads list
Reaction test
Does it add up? (Progression analysis)

Noting to check later if this is followed up on.

Because of the wagons I think Manti has the most suspicious vote next to Cel. Cel looks a little better because he was walking about going between InD and Light beforehand though but the fact that he voted for who one of his scumreads was voting for without taking that into account is pretty weird in and of itself.

I think my scum list would be

Blind
Xel
Manti
Then either Xiz or possibly Cel

Strong. Will not lynch town would be
Freezin (getting off the Light wagon)
Raeko / Wayward Vegabound(normal Raeko bullshit, plus I doubt she would sub out as wolf this quickly)
I probably wouldn't vote Debackpack this phase.

Everyone else is either slight town or null. Half of my strong town leads are fucking dead.

I actually take more issue with this than I did at a glance earlier.

Notibly the raeko read, and dbp read.

Neither of which are actual reads, and are more like placing them to satisfy making this look good.

Aren't you better than this or did you aquire a bit of elf dick in the mouth? (AKA You choking there buddy pal fren?)

Oh hey a post

No one is giving a reads list because I was the first and got scum read for it so duh no shit no one is doing it. It's super anti town though. Reads list get people talking.

Xiz for being different and he hasn't come back and made me feel better. Yeah, he has a legit excuse for being afk but when you leave with me feeling uneasy then I am still gonna be uneasy

I literally explained why I was reading you that way in that post.

Freezin I have played with many, many times. He is not near as aggressive as wolf on d0, and he legit seems like he wanted to further the game. The lynch all inactives strat is pretty stupid in most situation but he makes that suggestion as town all the time. As wolf, he isn't normally around long enough to make that argument (He'll just vote for the lowest point count and bounce). Not only that, but everyone who jumped off of Lightknight saying it was too easy a lynch look better. There where three who did and two of them are dead town. As far as I'm concern that makes him super clear.

Does he need to say more? hell yeah. He shouldn't get lazy, but at this point its down to rather or not I respect his post and not rather or not I vote him.

DBP is pure, 100% meta read. He came back three times that day and he doesn't as wolf normally. Now what he was saying was hit or miss (many more misses imho) but he was here and that's enough to make me feel like he can have a little leanway.

Now if he drops off the map we can revisit him, or if he says some seriously stupid shit, but with so many scumleans already there's not a point to worrying about him.

... Are you and WV / Raeko possible partners?

I loahte partner economics but... You strangly seem content to just pass her along.

Let's see....


It's hard to go off much because so far this day has been pretty.... quiet


Anyone not mentioned is null.


DarkManti is hard to go off of, as he's either using facts and picking specifically to help and clarify issues without causing too much fuss, or he's being relatively quiet and only talking if he feels he needs to to avoid discretion against him, and him clearing things up in the way he has been is more to make him seem relevant. If memory serves, most of what he has said isn't terribly... new info per se, so I'd lean him scum before I lean him town right now.

I have trouble seeing MML/Blind as T/W based on their interactions; I'd sooner lean them TT than WW because it felt fairly genuine from both sides.

InD I'm still iffy on for d0's actions that I mentioned, but his d1 so far has been clean and made me less confident.

Xel is still fishy for same reasons as I said EoD d0

Why you no vooooooote hereeeeeeeeeee

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

why you complain of a lack of shit to go off of, but won't commit to pressure yourself?

Let me step up then fren.

Raeko.

YOU HAD ONE JOB.



Lynch all liars.

Someone manages to be less useful than me, and more white noise than MML.

[twgv]Soundwave-[twgv], whatcha doing there bub?

Lar you're next, just so you're not blindsighted when I swap to you later if Soundwave actually doesn't make legit want him gone.

Ok then that was pretty quick. Tokzic has 53 post. His first was page 13 and his last was the infamous "Triloco is town get off post" we all know.

---
To Freezin:


in response Freezin's post that at least two are town:


In Response to Freezin saying that if he had money he would bet that in Vegas:


Keep in mind that he had a vote on DBP at this time and had already said Freezin was reminding him of his wolf game---

----and criticized Freezin's consistency ---

--- making it seem like of the three he liked Tri the best. I can't find him saying that he slanted him town, though. He never comes close to saying straight out that Tri is town.


This is the most progression of reads concerning Tri before Tri's rushed reads list, which Tokzic commented about:



--

For the record I disagree that the post he was talking about at the end there deserves town points. Tri is literally saying he is running out of time and will give us less content then plan. That's pretty non-indicative.

Not gonna quote fix this, but finally a post I strongly like from you.

Maybe you won't be next.

Maybe.

Necro reads lists:

+ > Positive impression of player via reads
- > Negative impression of player via reads
~ = Net neutral impression or N/A

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Roundbox:

3) inDheart > +
5) Celirra > +
6) XelNya > -
8) Xiz > ~
9) Tokzic > ~
10) tiloco217 > -
14) DaBackPack > +
17) FreezinIce > +

Haku:

Haku doesn't really have the easiest reads to sleuth out. Alot of shade and paranoia and very little solid reads.

3) inDheart > +
4) MixMasterLar > +
5) Celirra > -
10) tiloco217 > -
11) DarkManticoreX2 > -
12) blindreper1179 > -
15) LightKnight924 > -
17) FreezinIce > -

AGGREGATED RESULTS (Similar reads):

tiloco > -

If you think the list is incomplete or missing info let me know

Let me double chedck I interpret this correctly:

The sections of this are divided into reads the players in question had before they died?

I rly wanna make sure I understand this properly.

And so we end, on current reads list from me.

Wouldn't lynch 100%:

FreezinIce - Been liking you since D0, keepin' that alive because I lack a reason to adjust you.

Leaned town:

inDheart - I dunno why but I can't bring myself to put you anywhere else.
Tokzic - I wanna see where the inqueary goes before adjusting you again.
Celirra - I'm mad you won't make a push, but it's not that you're not forth coming with your thoughts, and ideas for whom you'd do it to.
DarkManticoreX2 - tho that eod was mentioned to be kinda trashy, I need to follow up on this and adjust, but his current posts while scarce, aren't bad or too floaty for my taste.

Null:

Xiz - - - - - - - - - - - l >
DaBackPack l > > All of you have posts that feel more white noise, or just haven't actually had a contribution, or one worth noting on my end.
Blindreper1179 - - - - l >

Scum leaned

MixMasterLar - There's redemtion in sight for you maybe. MAYBE. But as it stands, you are arguably not a horrible lynch, and your flip I think, would give us pretty good info.
Wayward Vagabond - That Raeko post I quoted has me concerned. This one can change easily with townie oriented posts to come I hope.
tiloco217 - Mostly how that post you wrote from memory doesn't stick well to me. I've played LTWG with you, and your memory is fairly good.

Pure Scum pile

Soundwave- DO. ANYTHING. MORE. THAN. NOTHING. You are literally practically mocking us that you're wolf.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Took like 30 extra mins

worth

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Oh I mseed up my vote tags

Soundwave-

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

And someone is gonna be like

xel wai u no push lar

because his response matters, but there's a glaring issue in a town who is here but not fucking doing crap and just spouting trash

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Also man that drained me mentally.

But it feels good.

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Nyan nyan nyan.

I am cat.

Call me "Kitten"

Can cat be woof?

Only flip will tell.

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

I'd post something useful but I don't feel like it and have business to attend to so I'll see ya in like, 12 or 18 hours or something.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

I'd post something useful but I don't feel like it and have business to attend to so I'll see ya in like, 12 or 18 hours or something.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

I'd post something useful but I don't feel like it and have business to attend to so I'll see ya in like, 12 or 18 hours or something.

Post something useful

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Sorry bub, not skipping school for twg.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Sorry bub, not skipping school for twg.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

votecount:
Lar (1)- blind
blind (1)- Lar
soundwave (2)- inDheart, Xel
tiloco (2)- Manti, Freezin
dbp (1)- Tokzic

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

I think town Xel pressures Soundwave.

I'm trying to think who I would expect to be doing the pressuring, and while Xel isn't at the top of my list, I'd account that more to the fact that people, myself included, need to do a collective stepping up of game.

[Soundwave-]

Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

Also, to clarify, I fully intend to be more proactive following my daily responsibilities and recovery from said responsibilities and failure to be more responsible the previous day. Hopefully by then more will have happened to comment on, as well.