TWG CLXV Postgame

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

on a game related note: haku, you complained somewhere about people not taking you seriously, and I think this is a legitimate complaint. However, I think there are a few things causing this:

1. You make a lot of nonsense posts. I'm not going to call you bad because it's not productive and I think you can have good reads/posts. But when you start spewing random stuff because people don't believe you right away or aren't convinced, that just destroys any credibility that you have.

2. You don't listen to what other people are saying. Maybe this is a language barrier thing, maybe not, I don't know. But it is incredibly frustrating to anyone when they are making posts and someone is clearly not reading/choosing to ignore what they are saying.

tldr I think you have potential and you have a legitimate complaint but there are things you should address as well

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

Welp

TWG Pandora

Charu opened Pandoras box with this play and introduced a new way of angleshooting that I never even considered existed

Not sure where I'm wrong about that sunfan

[Litodude]

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At least, this is my assumption.



PS. I have no idea how the hell I kept up with this entire game, what the shit guys.

this was purely coincidence, there was nothing in wolf chat

[FreezinIce]

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And I wish I had been at home when this happened because I might have instad lito and avoided a good chunk of this mess if I thought I had a good handle of the situation

[Gradiant]

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Gotta say Choof and Wineandbread posted pretty well.

Other than that, this was my last twg game on this site. I don't regret replacing out because people one bit. Thanks to the small group (you probably know who you guys are) that made this game fun to play. Peace

[AragakiAyase]

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both the posts were linked in wolfchat that charu saw, so no it wasn't a coincidence I don't think

[inDheart]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

from deadchat: (cut out the more irrelevant stuff)

[2:22 AM] AragakiAyase: Interesting find
[2:22 AM] AragakiAyase: Charu saw sunfan browsing the twg thread just now
[2:23 AM] AragakiAyase: And looking at the post where he voted yoshl(edited)
[2:23 AM] AragakiAyase: Charu is now convinced sunfan is wolf
[2:32 AM] DaBackpack: how do you know this about charu?
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: He told me
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: Wanted to know if it was angleshooting to use that
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: I said it's not
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: Also LOL
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: He's nailing wnb
[2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: For viewing the same post as sunfan
[2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: If you think it's angleshooting please say so
[2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: And it was never even mentioned
[2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: But lurker used this reasoning against me
[2:35 AM] DaBackpack: tbh i think that's angleshooty but i don't think it's fair to penalize charu for it
[2:35 AM] Wolfe: I don't think it's angleshooty enough to punish
[2:35 AM] AragakiAyase: People use people's online status as reasoning all the time
[2:35 AM] Wolfe: Exactly
[2:35 AM] AragakiAyase: It's fair game as far as I'm concerned
[2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: It's a gray area
[2:36 AM] DaBackpack: I guess, just seems like using "out of game information" to me
[2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: But it's accepted so fine by me
[2:36 AM] DaBackpack: yeah can't complain
[2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: Well if people fuss about it we can discuss later
[2:36 AM] DaBackpack: I don't really care
[2:36 AM] Wolfe: Doubt anyone will lol it's used like every game
[2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah
[2:36 AM] DaBackpack: really? wow
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: Yep
[2:37 AM] Wolfe: It's bad reasoning so nobody cares much
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: Never as the final factor usually
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: But it always comes up
[2:37 AM] DaBackpack: seems rather finicky
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: "x was in the thread and left"
[2:37 AM] DaBackpack: "this person was viewing thread in the middle of the night phase"
[2:37 AM] DaBackpack: ergo wolf
[2:37 AM] Wolfe: Such bad
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: I mean lurker literally said that to me
[2:37 AM] inDheart: i say no it is not angleshooting, the site allows you to see the info after all
[2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: And nothing happened
[2:38 AM] inDheart: MU has it disabled for this reason
[2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: "AA was in thread pre nightkill flip"
[2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: "so he is probably wolf"
[2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: I wasn't
[2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: So lol
[2:39 AM] AragakiAyase: Oh man charu saw that sunfan and wnb checked the same two posts
[2:39 AM] AragakiAyase: Loooooool
[2:39 AM] Wolfe: Yeah lol I remember Haku and MML always taking screenshots of the bottom and saying something ominous about remembering who was in thread at a given time
[3:06 AM] AragakiAyase: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9-03-06-18.png
[3:07 AM] DaBackpack: wait you can see if people are viewing specific posts?
[3:07 AM] DaBackpack: I thought you could only do that for threads o.O
[3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: You can through their profile
[3:08 AM] DaBackpack: wow holy shit
[3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: They're clicking on links being posted in wolfchat
[3:08 AM] DaBackpack: that's a game changer
[3:08 AM] inDheart: i bet they're linking individual posts in
[3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Mfw
[3:08 AM] inDheart: yeah
[3:08 AM] Wolfe: They should've logged out tbh
[3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah
[3:08 AM] DaBackpack: sunfan is going to be pissed the fuck off
[3:08 AM] DaBackpack: I don't really blame him
[3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Tough
[3:09 AM] DaBackpack: to see SPECIFIC POST VIEWING
[3:09 AM] DaBackpack: that actually ties the wolves together
[3:09 AM] DaBackpack: like being online, yeah sure
[3:09 AM] DaBackpack: but seeing two people viewing the same post
[3:09 AM] DaBackpack: that's actually rather admissible evidence
[3:10 AM] inDheart: the links, man
[3:10 AM] Wolfe: I couldn't fault someone who read into that, so I turn it off. They should've logged off lol
[3:10 AM] DaBackpack: I don't mean to belabor the point
[3:10 AM] AragakiAyase: This is rather incriminating
[3:10 AM] AragakiAyase: I'm going to allow it though because again I think it's legal
[3:11 AM] Wolfe: Lmao yeah I guess wolves will have to be more careful in the future.
[3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: The only way to solve this if people want to solve it
[3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: Is ban reasoning about this
[3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: But people will still think it
[3:11 AM] Wolfe: It's legal because there's no way to prevent it in the rules
[3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: So lol
[3:12 AM] DaBackpack: I don't disagree, entirely
[3:12 AM] AragakiAyase: I think it's fine tbh
[3:12 AM] DaBackpack: but ideologically it seems like a huge flaw of the system
[3:12 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah agreed
[3:12 AM] Wolfe: There's literally no way to stop it. Wolves will simply have to be logged out and be more careful in the future
[3:12 AM] inDheart: there's a way to class it as angleshooting but then that means you just get ~creative~
[3:12 AM] inDheart: plus it's a condition of the site we're on
[3:12 AM] DaBackpack: you're solving the game by viewing wolf night actions (i.e. reading the thread)
[3:12 AM] DaBackpack: it shouldn't be possible to introduce information into the game via night phase imo
[3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: People can flip tables in postgame
[3:13 AM] DaBackpack: I know, you can't punish this
[3:13 AM] DaBackpack: it should be lega
[3:13 AM] DaBackpack: legal
[3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: Kinda funny the charu just solved the game though
[3:13 AM] DaBackpack: but I think this behavior, when practiced, violates the spirit of twg
[3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: And he's never the nk here
[3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah I agree
[3:13 AM] Wolfe: I agree
[3:13 AM] inDheart: CHARU
[3:14 AM] Wolfe: But the spirit of TWG isn't gonna stop people from abusing it, and there's no way to stop em in the rules
[3:14 AM] DaBackpack: I mean, if Charu presents visual evidence, town literally wins?
[3:14 AM] inDheart: also keep in mind, it's not like he 100% knows he's right
[3:14 AM] Wolfe: He just literally broke FFRTWG lmao
[3:14 AM] DaBackpack: that's true, but it's Charu, so he's gonna tunnel hard as fuck
[3:14 AM] Wolfe: Wolves will have to be 100% more careful, thats the only solution
[3:14 AM] Wolfe: Holy shit lmao
[3:15 AM] inDheart: i always read on incognito for nights as a wolf
[3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Me too
[3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Lmao
[3:15 AM] Wolfe: Yeah I'm paranoid like that too
[3:15 AM] DaBackpack: I mean that's fair, when you KNOW about this flaw
[3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: This is why
[3:15 AM] inDheart: and i don't reread at night as town anymore
[3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Me too
[3:15 AM] DaBackpack: but sunfan's wolf game was pretty much entirely fucked by a forum flaw

[Litodude]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

both the posts were linked in wolfchat that charu saw, so no it wasn't a coincidence I don't think

o word

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

Going into today I didn't suspect lito at all and would have not turned on him if not for the strange events that happened

Good game to wolves, keeping me off of you for 3 phases was really well done sunfan and I suspected wab only by virtue of him living so long to the point of suspicion

[AragakiAyase]

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rip choof's wolf meta

forever

[thesunfan]

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Welp

TWG Pandora

Charu opened Pandoras box with this play and introduced a new way of angleshooting that I never even considered existed

Not sure where I'm wrong about that sunfan

I don't even know if its angleshooting honestly
I should've walked away from my laptop earlier
I was just posting off of raw emotion in a bad way
I feel bad about it

[FreezinIce]

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I am sad that it got so personal though. And it seemed like people were legitimately not having fun

[AragakiAyase]

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I think flaming is always part of twg, but I like it more when it stays below a certain level

[Charu]

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Thanks guys, I feel a lot better now.

I really did think if it was good or not. I even said to AA I was going to do what I was thinking originally, but...

...

I chose not to because I felt like there was no way I could change someone's opinion on me.

[AragakiAyase]

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I don't even know if its angleshooting honestly
I should've walked away from my laptop earlier
I was just posting off of raw emotion in a bad way
I feel bad about it

if you define angleshooting as it's defined in the rules (which I checked lol), then no it's technically not I don't think. is it against the spirit of the game? yeah. is it OGI? maybe idk, it's a consequence of FFR forums