TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Hey sunfan, thoughts on #756 and #758 ?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

I'm fine with you calling people out, I'm not fine with how you're doing it

you seem to be wording it so that it comes across as more subtle and serves to make the player look bad without so much encouraging them to change their behavior and do things differently. the end result is that you can continue to be "suspicious" of them while not even really pointing out clearly what you dislike and why you dislike it. so essentially, free suspicion with no threat of a pushback

first you did it to mellon, then charu in the next post, then proph, and there may be more examples that I've missed

to clarify what I mean, here's what you're doing and here's what I think is not shading, yet still getting your point across:

shading: "funny that you're so defensive about it, though..."
not shading: "why are you so defensive about someone calling you out for not posting?" (of note is that this is more how MML is doing it, which is probably why I like how he's pushed on mellon more)

shading: ".... Nice! Not sure if omgus or opportunistic, but whaaatever."
not shading: "what's up with the sudden switch here? I can't tell if you're being opportunistic or omgusing here"

shading: "Not at all very impressed with the larger "reads list" post this came from, tbh.."
not shading: "didn't really like this reads post, it feels like it could have used more x y and z. proph, can you do x y and z? why didn't you?"

I realize I'm nitpicking heavily on wording here, but I think it's important because this is something I see wolves do a lot: they shade someone without trying to get them to actually change their behavior

Sorry I'm not as ideal as you want me to be? It's like I can't win with you.. If I call something out when I see it, I'm wrong for not correcting gentler. If I don't call something out, you don't believe me and I have to provide screenshot proof.
Also, your level one comment wasn't appreciated. The implication wqs that I'm either a wolf or a bad player, which is insulting at best because I'm not a wolf. Maybe follow your own advice?

[Charu]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

yeah I normally struggle with him but he's kinda like
he's playing like he does as town on d1 during d0 right now, if that makes sense

I blame library shift

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

*COUGH* youkindofstartedthisshitflingingaboututrnonsenseinthefirstplace *COUGH*

*COUGH* orratheryoupiggysomeoneandmadeabigstinkin'dealaboutittomaketwoorsopagesofthisstuff *COUGH*

No, dude. I did not start this shit. Nor did I escalate it until after it escalated. You should see a doctor about that cough, seriously. Wouldn't want it to develop into pneumonia and kill you.
Read that how you want. I've stopped giving a fuck at this point.

My reactions may have been excessive but that's what happens when you deal with the same conversation over, and over and over again when each game is supposed to be a fresh start. It is annoying when people don't even give you a chance.

In the end I think my energy was well directed since I've generated plenty of content to read you better

Smh so hard, but I'm done with this shit

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Shado, if you're town, your content is great and they're going to have a bad day later on.

#hope

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Sorry I'm not as ideal as you want me to be? It's like I can't win with you.. If I call something out when I see it, I'm wrong for not correcting gentler. If I don't call something out, you don't believe me and I have to provide screenshot proof.
Also, your level one comment wasn't appreciated. The implication wqs that I'm either a wolf or a bad player, which is insulting at best because I'm not a wolf. Maybe follow your own advice?

where have I ever said stuff about you being gentler

you're completely missing the point, my point is that you throw suspicion on people but don't want them to actually stop being suspicious to you

it's like the game where you wolfed and basically hung dfr out to dry and I correctly called you out on it. you scumread him and made no effort to interact with him to see if your read would develop more, here it's the same thing just in a smaller timeframe

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Shado, if you're town, your content is great and they're going to have a bad day later on.

#hope

Thanks!
They don't need to have a bad day, just make me have a better one 😧

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

it's level one play in the sense that you're saying "oh mellon isn't posting/is UTR so she's a wolf"

it's not that simple, mellon is never a high volume poster so ???

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

The more I read this, the less I like it. Broad generalizations, lack of analysis, and lazy reads on multiple people indicating they're "the same as usual" are all things I do not typically associate with sunfan, and yet are all present in this post. Hell, they're basically all the post is.

Speaking of spinning things around, I stand by my response to your "jokiness" read on me. I re-read it, and don't feel I put any words in your mouth at all.
You said, "his... jokiness? feels the same as last game"
then: "your jokiness when you are joking
not your overall seriousness" when I thought you were talking about quantity.
So if it's my jokiness when I'm joking that reminds you of last game, then you're talking about my style of joking. That's called "sense of humor", and is a part of a personality. I don't see how you think this is putting words in your mouth. You tried to call me out for something you made up from last game, and now are backpedaling while saying I'm "flipping the table on you" and putting words in your mouth.

Finally: " After seeing Shado wolf last game and during Secret Hitler in lTWG, I think that I have a much better grasp of his wolfgame than I did before. I think I even texted AA as such."

just really seems oddly placed there, as if you're trying to preemptively support a stance you know to be incorrect.

Top scum status atm, sunfan.

woah woah you think I made up my scumread on you last game
what?
I've read that twice and I feel like I have to be misunderstanding what you're saying there

you can call that post I made just about anything, but calling that post "lazy" is pretty just actually wrong. The reads in it are NOT lazy, fuck you. Perhaps hastily made, but I am happy with that post.

I feel that I've done the opposite of backpedal, instead I doubled down on my read on you, so I don't get that part either.

I think wolves are going to try to be funnier in general; they want to be likable, and its something I think you fall into after seeing you win last game (not the way I think I need to read you). So yeah, call it personality, call it whatever you want, I think it matters, and that's what's important. I do think you put words into my mouth equating what I was saying with personality, part of it might be my fault for using "sense of humor" instead of something more fitting, but w/e.

I don't care about the last part. Call it prideful, because it is, but I think I can justify just about anything if I'm a wolf, so I don't get why you think I need to make up excuses beforehand.

fwiw I think this post is more likely to come from town Shado than a wolf Shado, if for nothing other than for being head and shoulders above his overtly emotional response to my scumread on him last game, so there's that at least.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Sorry I'm not as ideal as you want me to be? It's like I can't win with you.. If I call something out when I see it, I'm wrong for not correcting gentler. If I don't call something out, you don't believe me and I have to provide screenshot proof.
Also, your level one comment wasn't appreciated. The implication wqs that I'm either a wolf or a bad player, which is insulting at best because I'm not a wolf. Maybe follow your own advice?

you're also comparing apples and oranges here, because the things i've taken issue with are
1: that you seem to be shading people with no real purpose
2: that you seemed to be piggybacking off other people's suspicion of me

but you're twisting it now to seem like I want you to be gentler and call everything out, both of which I haven't said. What I've said is that I want you to not just shade people, but actually push them based on your suspicions. What I've also said is that I didn't like how you held your suspicion because to me it seemed like you wanted to be in consensus with some other people in your suspicion of me and wanted to know why you held it. notice that I didn't actually continue pushing that because it seemed like a plausible explanation that you wanted to see me make a few more posts, but no matter how I look at it the timing still strikes me as strange

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

where have I ever said stuff about you being gentler

you're completely missing the point, my point is that you throw suspicion on people but don't want them to actually stop being suspicious to you

it's like the game where you wolfed and basically hung dfr out to dry and I correctly called you out on it. you scumread him and made no effort to interact with him to see if your read would develop more, here it's the same thing just in a smaller timeframe

Isn't this what I called you out on this morning? Throwing shit my way on gut and making no effort to interact?
Me calling them out is supposed to be enough of a reason for them to respond. If you're town, you'll understand that based on this morning. If not, then you already know I'm town so carry on I suppose

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

shado can you point out specifically which things you think are generalizations by sunfan in his big post?

(also unrelated: VOTE IN THE TWG AWARDS IF YOU HAVE NOT)

shado please respond to this as well

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

cmon Shado, you just played raeko. 9 posts is clearly a high post count for her at this point

not sure if serious

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Isn't this what I called you out on this morning? Throwing shit my way on gut and making no effort to interact?
Me calling them out is supposed to be enough of a reason for them to respond. If you're town, you'll understand that based on this morning. If not, then you already know I'm town so carry on I suppose

yes, and I noted that you had a point

I've been pushing you more now so I don't see the problem

I guess we can say you've been pushing mellon as well, but you didn't ask proph any questions on elaborating his list that might assuage your dislike of his reads list

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

I feel like we're more or less going in circle w/r/t raeko

do you have any thoughts on the game so far raeko?