TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

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  • AragakiAyase
    Waifus
    • Apr 2015
    • 961

    #766
    Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

    it's time to dissect xelnya's readlist

    mellon iso:

    Originally posted by XelNya
    I did this a lot more differently than usual, in case you're like "wait xel wtf is dis"

    Mellon:

    This is the only post from page one that has any value



    This post is bad for a really important reason. It comes off as a cover via "I didn't roll wolf twice in a row."

    I really dislike this post. If it wasn't a bit of a shit-post I'd have instantly scum read you for it.



    Tone-wise this post is good. Content-wise, my complaint is that she should know that sabo is two night cool down, not one, and you should know if blocking a kill is possible (hint: there's three possible ways.) Especially if you played in the last game.



    Why would you clarify the only the scum leans? No one expects a quote wall here but?



    Gonna actually say I like this post.
    how do you quote so little relevant stuff? I think mellon has done a good job of actively producing reads and taking stances and asking questions, but what you have here is basically a shitpost, a mechanics oriented question, a reads list, and a read. You seem to take the most issue with the shitpost (lol), take no stance on the mechanics post (fine, but the way you did it weird to me because you go one way and then the other). then you have a problem with her clarifying her scum reads? I think that was actually a towny thing to do and I don't think it was too early to make that kind of post. Then you say that post where she makes a read on shado is good, fine. But no other comments? based on your analysis presented, it seems like she'd be fairly null or even a scum lean, but you come out with her as a town lean.

    next is me

    Originally posted by XelNya
    AA:



    This post is really funny.



    See this post gets me now that I kinda think on it.





    UHG. Now that I am rereading this I am liking you less and less. Because I don't think you'd actually speculate the wolves are scared of a self-kill, because the chances might be super random but statistically they probably have a super high chance of netting a town first go. Later in the game sure, you'd have more reason to be scared but not this early?

    I dunno. This is feeling way more off to me than it did earlier.



    But you know and realize the stratigic nature of not going for the garunteed kill with no information? Like let me theory craft a little on mindsets here and it may just be how I'd approach it but there's like, zero reason to drop sabo unless you've never wolfed before and are scared? I dunno. I don't see the advantage of securing an early kill vs netting an informed one later.



    This is a good post though. Gotta give you that.



    Ew.



    This post is a little more gross in hindsight. Because I played it off as "alright maybe he was just skimming."



    Wait.

    Maybe xizu is actually onto something. I haven't seen his case as of writing this but?



    ....
    so you have a problem with me speculating about the nightkill (or lack thereof in this case), fine, I can see that. But your reasoning for why I shouldn't speculate is pretty questionable, because your statement that statistically the wolves have a super high chance of hitting a town on the first try is just wrong. Could get more into math but it's about equal to what I'm guessing the distribution of the wolves is (8-3) so I think it's plausible that they were scared to kill. My thoughts were based largely off of last setup when I heard that wolves had used sabo to knock someone out ASAP, and I figured they would do it again if they had the chance (didn't actually know about the cd lolme). The next few quotes are fine, but then the "this is a little more gross in hindsight" part doesn't make any sense. Can you explain why you have the last 3 quotes the way you did, and how that makes me a scumlean? the posts you've picked out dont' seem to have any real thought process behind them.

    posting this now because I have class soon, will go through the entire reads list dw

    pikakirby123 reincarnated





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    • AragakiAyase
      Waifus
      • Apr 2015
      • 961

      #767
      Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

      Originally posted by Hakulyte
      It's like I afk'd half of the phase and suddenly you posted "I don't like Xiz"

      and poof, out of nowhere, I come say hello and tell you how right you are and follow up with another vote on Xiz.

      ..and then the fantastic scenario happens a second time. (Is this Christmas?)

      That's why it's odd to me even if we're agreeing.

      Maybe it's just a coincidence.
      are you talking to me or V here?

      pikakirby123 reincarnated





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      • AragakiAyase
        Waifus
        • Apr 2015
        • 961

        #768
        Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

        Originally posted by Hakulyte
        You sounded like someone who had an agenda with thesunfan on V and I didn't like it at all.
        how so? he wasn't posting and what posts he did have were very lacking, and V's wolf meta lately seems to be to not post

        pikakirby123 reincarnated





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        • Vendetta21
          Sectional Moderator
          Sectional Moderator
          • Aug 2006
          • 2745

          #769
          Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

          even if it's a bad question, keep asking whatever you want to know until you get an answer. relentlessness is important

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          • Vendetta21
            Sectional Moderator
            Sectional Moderator
            • Aug 2006
            • 2745

            #770
            Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

            Originally posted by AragakiAyase
            are you talking to me or V here?
            use of the word "odd" and our line of questioning indicates me, don't give him an out

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            • AragakiAyase
              Waifus
              • Apr 2015
              • 961

              #771
              Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

              Originally posted by inDheart
              shado has a much hollower case than usual on me though

              notices i'm not talking mechanics much, but thinks a post where i am doing that is only possible from a wolf pov

              not to mention i see /no one at all/ playing to a doublecross condition, and it feels like he's not in THIS game
              bad vote for today, he's not going to be here and I think he's 99% town

              pikakirby123 reincarnated





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              • AragakiAyase
                Waifus
                • Apr 2015
                • 961

                #772
                Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                Originally posted by Vendetta21
                use of the word "odd" and our line of questioning indicates me, don't give him an out
                yeah never mind, I misread it

                pikakirby123 reincarnated





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                • AragakiAyase
                  Waifus
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 961

                  #773
                  Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  The odd part was his timing with my posts and possibly how he attacked AA.

                  He did some partial quoting as well. I don't know if AA noticed.
                  didn't notice, don't really care because I think his push on me was fabricated and weak

                  pikakirby123 reincarnated





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                  • inDheart
                    Picker @ JAX2
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 505

                    #774
                    Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                    Originally posted by Vendetta21
                    just an out of the flow of the game pro-tip, if the question is actually good you will have to keep asking it over and over to get your answer because the person will do their best to ignore it
                    it was to anyone, it was would wolves pick each other as adversaries

                    i've arrived at "no, unless they have the balls"

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                    • Hakulyte
                      the Haku
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4697

                      #775
                      Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                      @ partial quoting refers to this: #542

                      I'm not sure where to stand for AA vs Xiz and it seems like he changed his mind later on.

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                      • Vendetta21
                        Sectional Moderator
                        Sectional Moderator
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2745

                        #776
                        Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                        don't let your resolve stale just keep fuckin asking questions

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                        • Hakulyte
                          the Haku
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 4697

                          #777
                          Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                          @Xiz: Why did you say that AA was lying?

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                          • inDheart
                            Picker @ JAX2
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 505

                            #778
                            Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                            Originally posted by AragakiAyase
                            bad vote for today, he's not going to be here and I think he's 99% town
                            to do it differently:

                            people i don't want to touch
                            sunfan
                            aa

                            people i don't mind touching
                            (rest of list pending the line of qs i'm going down)

                            people i want to touch
                            shado

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                            • AragakiAyase
                              Waifus
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 961

                              #779
                              Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                              xel iso continued

                              j-rodd:

                              Originally posted by XelNya
                              Jrod:



                              Haven't you played enough with AA to know his tone is this disgustinly neutral one unless he's tilted?



                              It's been forever since I've played with you, but didn't you used to be a lot more aggresive early on or am I full of shit / confusing it with live twg?



                              Wai u no explain



                              This is not something I'd expect you to say wtf is this shit

                              you comment on jrodd thinking my tone is tryhardy, question his meta/entrance, ask for explanations on villa circle, then question something that turns out to be a joke post. WHY IS THERE SO LITTLE RELEVANT CONTENT? and again, like mellon, HOW does that get him a town lean?


                              haku:

                              Originally posted by XelNya
                              Haku:



                              Oh for fuck's sake.



                              /cringe



                              /stabs a kitten with a chainsaw



                              JEEZ this is actually a super good post from you.

                              Like, wow.



                              1. Why aren't you postulating your own thoughts as a starting point?
                              2. Why aren't you steering the game to that direction?
                              3. ???
                              4. Dicks.
                              in order: blah post, blah post, blah post, not sure if sarcasm but if it is condescending post, useless questions

                              hey look your conclusion in terms of a read somewhat makes sense here

                              pikakirby123 reincarnated





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                              • AragakiAyase
                                Waifus
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 961

                                #780
                                Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

                                yeah the xel reads list is garbage

                                he quotes mostly irrelevant posts, makes a lot of useless commentary, several of his reads don't match up with what analysis he seems to be making in the iso. in addition to the ones I mentioned, the ind being orange doesn't make sense from what I can see, the whole post just seems like a bunch of work that isn't work to seem like he's doing work

                                pikakirby123 reincarnated





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