TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:34 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by FreezinIce

didnt really think youd turn it 360 back in my face either so im not sure what to make of that atm

Excuse me? Hahahahahahahaahahahahhhhaaaahhaaah

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:34 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by Hakulyte

Think of it like bmah patterns on FFR.

JFC

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:38 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by Precarious

On reading through (in my case, it wasn't in real time, so the time proximity of the posts didn't really register), I saw it less as hard baiting and more as shitposting, since no one (Charu or anyone else) would actually reply to "are you a wolf" with anything other than sarcasm. It's actually more concerning to me that Haku defended those posts as baiting rather than the posts themselves, because they had no chance to actually a catch a wolf. It's like trying to fish with nothing on the hook.

After typing this and seeing what happened in thread before actually posting, I see Haku kind of admitted that it was shitposting, then suggested the questions were legitimate. The point remains; the reaction was overdefensive (and Haku later even overdefended further by trying to play Gradiant's original concern as justified). The finally admitting to the segment just being shitposting, by contrast, is a better look.

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As to Charu, I'll just reiterate again that it's extremely unlikely that he's anything other than what he's already claimed, because there's no payoff if he's a wolf or a serial killer. As soon as he's counterclaimed, his best case scenario is that the other person is mis/lynched first. If they flip bodyguard/asceticizer, then Charu would be unquestionably lynched the next day. It's not worth it for the wolves to trade a player (it very very rarely is), and it's suicide for the serial killer if he's counterclaimed on day 3 or earlier.

From the perspective of actual having that role, it was the right move for him to actually claim imo. The value of a confirmed townie is limited normally, because they're likely to be killed before end game, and its effect on the player pool is most limited early in the game (when there are the most players). However, Charu wouldn't be a normal confirmed townie; he's also bulletproof, which means that end game value is there so long as he isn't killed while bodyguarding. The loss of Charu as a possible night target is outweighed by his confirmation.

Okay I think I should ask if Pre has a meta formed yet. If not, then just off this post I feel really good about him. Are you the analytical type? Seems like in this post you like being slightly neutral in the sense you addressed what you saw from an innocent bystander point of view and that's something I'm keen on, especially early.

**Charu** · 10-8-2016, 07:42 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

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Right, so this is where I drop the bomb first thing because the role I had called for something of the sort.

inDheart being the first to make the shitpost sees the bomb, but instead of immediately flipping out or questioning it (or really just be baffled), calls it a "convincing case" when all I really did was just say what I was and told other PR's how to play this specific game. Of course in TWG there's multiple ways to interpret something, but I get the feeling here that his response was more of a reflexive action more than an actual genuine response.

How curious...

mellon is next to post about it. That's the type of response I was expecting. Call it bad, but this immediately makes me give her the town lean.

This applies to juckter as well, so in the town leans he goes!

Precarious does the questioning post I mentioned. So he's going slightly beyond the town lean, but still a town lean. Mechanical talk or not, his intentions here were pretty clear.

Haku comes in and makes the second shitpost, which honestly... I can't really read him due to that due to how he plays in general. So sadly I can't really say much here except I enjoyed the little shitposting session that produced afterwards.

...But wait, there's more, R.E. comes in hot and does the flip out response I was expecting, so another person I can give a town lean on, hahaha.

And wow, I think that's the most reads I ever gotten in a TWG right off the bat on the very first page. Here are the results!

Time for page 2 now!

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:42 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by ShadoWolfe

No response from FreezinIce yet, but I really don't like this progression:

He goes from pushing on Gradiant for a pressure vote (reasoning: reaching),

To backing off slightly, while "keeping note" when questioned why he's reacting to one vote:

to an all out defense mode:

to hopping on the Haku wagon instammediately when pressured:

It reads like wolf seeing an opening, realizing it wasn't easy, and getting out while he could, right onto the easier target.

FreezeInIce

Interesting to say the least. Will note here that there is good aggression coming from some people and I still don't have the context probably yet but it's interesting that the game started like this.

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:44 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by FreezinIce

Uh, I didn't even vote for him or call him suspicious at all. I called him out for bad voting. Which I still stand by for the record.

I think YOUR the one who's reaching with all these generalizations. pretty sure your seeing stuff where there's nothing and trying to prop me up to be some kind of fumbling wolf who tried to vote for someone and backed off when they turned on me. If you want me to break down every part of your post that's wrong, let me know and ill effort to do so. For now i'll take the easy way out and just say, your completely wrong.

Okay so if I was in this game at start, I would've voted you here.

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:49 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by Hakulyte

We're still at the point in the game where we're trying to generate interaction to see how everyone is acting like, I believe FreezinIce was simply trying to interact and test people to learn about their meta etc.

Shush you. It's true that this was in the poke-hey-you're-a-person phase of the game but at that point a poor job was done and I'm still laughing that they chose Gradiant over someone else to begin for reactions.

Also at this point Freeze was contradicting themselves so keep note unless it was addressed (obviously).

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:50 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by ShadoWolfe

Fair enough. Unvote.

Thanks fam, but you've gotta remember that periods(addressed), colons, and question marks all count as punctuation. IDRC about that shit tbh, but you were talking about how annoying I was so I figured I might as well make it count.

By the way, I had all that ^ written before this latest interaction, but your last post gave me fuel for one last push

I read that post, actually. It's even in my notes.
Nice to meet you, by the way. It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance, although I'm sure the pleasure isn't fully mutual at the moment :P

Here's where my OG read on you falters. rip you.

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:52 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by XelNya

Everything is important.
Well, except Haku.

Lmfao okay so in terms of you I now sit on the fence of what side zi feel you're on but still feeling good about you here

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 07:53 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Psst if you see "zi" That's autocorrect ruining my "I"

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 08:00 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Originally posted by Gradiant

?????????

If you'd actually post more, it wouldn't look like we are posting so much

Pretty sure at this point Gradiant is town and I wouldn't advocate a vote on him this phase.

Indheart is weird
Roundbox is funny and looking town right now
dfr made an entrance and zi could safely place him at null/town lean

**_Zenith_** · 10-8-2016, 08:02 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

Let the record show I'm taking a break here and am on page 21. Fucking keyboard warriors amirite?

**Charu** · 10-8-2016, 08:09 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

PAGE 2

inDheart comes back and wants to say some stuff about my claim. Notice how 52 minutes of the game has already happened. I think it's something important to note due to what happens later.

Haku says to Pre that he's proud he didn't do a robotic post (which is weird to even say at this point since it was only just the one... but it's Haku so whatever). Pre responds in a way that makes me feel better about my initial town read. I like he admits what his wolf tell was in the previous game too. I don't know, this post comes off as super towny to me.

Not to mention the back and forth that had occured between the two of them as well. He just is giving real good vibes this time around.

...Uh oh, here comes dat boy inDheart with a fairly large post. Also again note it took roughly 40 minutes between this and his last post.

So here we see he made up a whole bunch of scenarios of where I could be this or that. It's a very fair post, but I think the way it was presented, coupled with how long it took, I'm reading this post as nothing but a wolf telling the other wolves "hey, I done my homework, Charu is most likely telling the truth."

Biased? Maybe, but I can also see it as a means of town player laying out the law of what I could potentially be since town always has to be weary with shit like this.

But at the moment, it looks more like a wolf trying to find a means to make me look bad first thing, hee hee hee. Also please due note his "SK" scenario. Since SK is one of wolves biggest fears... hee hee hee... Sorry inDheart, but did you roll wolf this game? These early pages are telling me you might be one!

...Anyways, Haku comes in and this is where he starts saying he's bad... again. I mean, not directly, but... bah, you know what I mean. I can't read it regardless because it's freakin' Haku! Self demoralizing seems to be the way he likes to play!! We'll see if that changes this game I suppose.

Last post of this page is pretty good, and it's coming from my strongest town read at the moment. I think Pre is replying to inDheart here, but he pretty much nullifies everything inDheart just came up with by saying indirectly "No, Charu is definitely most likely telling the truth here and here's why."

**Charu** · 10-8-2016, 08:19 AM

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

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So looks like this is a shitpost page, heh. inDheart comes in however to say that counterclaims to my claim would not happen for fear it would create confusion and being mistaken.

I disagree here hard. Counterclaiming my role right now if I were not what I was is the optimal thing to do, no matter how shitty it is. The trade off, as Pre has just explained, is shitty and no gains are to be main since wolves biggest target (SK and possible vigi) are still out there. Everyone loses in this exchange.

Fuck inDheart, are you TRYING to be read wolf here? It's working!

Gradiant though says "Do I get what he's saying" which confused me initially because I thought I got what he meant in my previous post he just quoted. Then he says he misread it, hmm... I'll believe you for now mister.

...That's about it for this page, phew. Compare to the others, this one was kind of lackluster except to reaffirm my wolf read, lol.

**Charu** · 10-8-2016, 08:26 AM

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PAGE 4

roundbox makes his appearance. Calls me boring this time around, but me and him both know what I did was the optimal thing to do. He didn't really say it, but I could just tell that's what he was saying in those two posts, lmao. Too bad I can't read more into it than that.

Gradiant here questions Pre about his meaningless post (which it was). That's a pretty good sign actually that Gradiant is on the winning team, AKA, the TOWN TEAM!!! This is purely meta, but Gradiant acts much more offensive if he's both not a role and not a wolf.

Enter backpack, says he read it, but doesn't want to think about it. Odd, but yet, towny post right here, LOL. I love his nonchalant way of saying "Fuck you Charu, not now." It's pretty charming.

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