11th Official Tournament - Round 8

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

If an 86 is too low for D6, I'm done joining official tournaments. Seriously, lol. There should be no reason for that. If people are AAA'ing or low sdg'ing 86/87s they should be put in D7 without a doubt. Plus, since tournaments are supposed to be challenging, make them work for it in D7. Breezing through 4 or 5 rounds of a tournament isn't right at all.

86/87 is not and has never been the entry point for D7, even with AAAs... D6 is just stacked to the fucking brim at the moment, and adding divisions is not the answer, either.

D7 has always had a substantial level of exclusivity.

[ZanmatoFusion]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

I never said it was an entry level for D7. But, if that is too "low" of a score where people are AAA'ing that type of difficulty in the 2nd highest division, then (judging by the fact that tournaments are supposed to be "challenging") then start off Round 1 with an 85 for D6. Seriously. Why continue going onto a difficulty that is "too low" for a division that has obviously shown that this tourney so far is "easy?"

EDIT: Also I never suggested adding a division, either.

[Soundwave-]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

Definitely not instantly playing at a D4 level, and I would not place him D4 based on his current ranks.

His performance on the current song is very close if not there already though.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

I never said it was an entry level for D7. But, if that is too "low" of a score where people are AAA'ing that type of difficulty in the 2nd highest division, then (judging by the fact that tournaments are supposed to be "challenging") then start off Round 1 with an 85 for D6. Seriously. Why continue going onto a difficulty that is "too low" for a division that has obviously shown that this tourney so far is "easy?"

EDIT: Also I never suggested adding a division, either.

Because like in many other divisions, there are large discrepancies between what a lower-end and a higher-end player can do. In order to give the lower-end players a fighting chance, the files need to be set in a difficulty level where there's an opportunity for them to survive. It should not be an immediate slaughter for the players who are in the lower end where they have legitimately no shot at moving on because the skill curve within the division is too sharp.

This is the embodiment of FFR official tournaments: those who are high in their divisions are allowed to fight in a highly competitive environment, but those who are lower in their divisions have substantial time to hone in on their abilities and potentially catch up to the players who were once ahead of them. Any player within their division can become a formidable force with effort, and there are many players who have done so in their respective divisions in the past.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind - despite the issue with round 3, the first and second rounds were very much accelerated compared to previous tournaments. The difficulty increase that you are suggesting has happened, but not as severe as your are implicating.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

I never said it was an entry level for D7. But, if that is too "low" of a score where people are AAA'ing that type of difficulty in the 2nd highest division, then (judging by the fact that tournaments are supposed to be "challenging") then start off Round 1 with an 85 for D6. Seriously. Why continue going onto a difficulty that is "too low" for a division that has obviously shown that this tourney so far is "easy?"

EDIT: Also I never suggested adding a division, either.

Don't forget they only have a finite number of complete files to work with, and only so much foresight on how each file will be treated by the players.

Being in the lower echelon of a division is hard, trust me im aware. But the better you work with you're conditions the more rewarding the literal and metaphorical payout will be.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

Don't forget they only have a finite number of complete files to work with, and only so much foresight on how each file will be treated by the players.

Being in the lower echelon of a division is hard, trust me im aware. But the better you work with you're conditions the more rewarding the literal and metaphorical payout will be.

Also, thank you for making this point, because this is so much harder to deal with than most people realize... D:

[s1rnight]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

whens teh deadline for this week

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

As listed on the dashboard:


Round Ends at: July 15th 2016, 10:59pm Server Time.

[psychoangel691]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

His performance on the current song is very close if not there already though.

What are you talking about, his score on the D4 file currently wouldn't even let him pass the round.

[Soundwave-]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

What are you talking about, his score on the D4 file currently wouldn't even let him pass the round.

The current D3 tournament file is pretty much a low D4 file, and his score is pretty decent.

[ZanmatoFusion]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

I understand the situation of "slaughter." However, I am not sympathetic. I've been in D6 for a few years now. Every year, once we hit this spot here in the tournament (Rounds 3-5) it shows the huge discrepancy of D6. Still, I fight, as others also do. If we want to get out of the spot were in we have to practice and work hard to achieve a higher skill. Entering an official tournament means you will push yourself to the highest and utmost skill you can possibly achieve. If you can't hack it, oh well, there is always next year.

You are an avid CSGO streamer and player. Do you know how many teams get beat out for the LCS every single year? Yet they don't lower the bar so more people "have a chance to get in." You play at the VERY BEST you possibly can and if that is enough great! Otherwise, keep practicing.

I think it's about time this tournament stops catering to EVERY player, and caters to what an "Official" tournament should be. Basically, AJ, exactly what you did with your OSU tournament. There was NO divisions. I was ranked 60 something and went up against Seed 4. Oh well. Shit happens. I wasn't good enough. Same concept here.

Also, in regards to slaughtering, have you looked at the tournament closely?

D2 - 3,825 point differencial between Rank 1 and the cut off of Rank 24.
D3 - 3,295 point differencial between Rank 1 and the cut off of Rank 26.
D4 - 1,450 point differencial between Rank 1 and the cut off of Rank 24.
D5 - 970 point differencial between Rank 1 and the cut off of Rank 32.

D2 - 153 Goods
D3 - 131.8 Goods
D4 - 58 Goods
D5 - 38.8 Goods

That's a HUGE difference! It's potential slaughter to those that were eliminated already. At least in my eyes.

Now, don't get it twisted (lol), I am not the tournament hoster, nor would I ever DREAM to be (It's fucking hell, trust me, I've seen you two for years hosting this and know what it brings upon you both), but I do understand where you are coming from. (Yes I bolded that part so you will see that!

Either way, there is a HUGE discrepancy in every division. Yet the other divisions are getting bumrushed entirely. The same should be done with D6.



EDIT: Yes, I know there is a limited number of stepfiles. HOWEVER, if they get a template down to a science, they could request certainly difficulties, and since we have such an immense amount of ELITE step artists, I'm damn sure they could come up with those specified difficulties way before the tournament starts. Trust me, I know this site has some of the best steppers around.

[DarkZtar]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

If an 86 is too low for D6, I'm done joining official tournaments. Seriously, lol. There should be no reason for that. If people are AAA'ing or low sdg'ing 86/87s they should be put in D7 without a doubt. Plus, since tournaments are supposed to be challenging, make them work for it in D7. Breezing through 4 or 5 rounds of a tournament isn't right at all.

You do realize there are people in D6 with sdgs on 90s lmao. Skill gap is gonna be big no matter what the tourney admins do, only so much partitioning you can do with the amount of skillspread and participants in the tourney. The mentality that you won't join if you don't have a realistic shot at winning or placing well is poor in general, the goal of the tourney should be to push yourself to improve, not skate by/ place well with minimal effort.

[hi19hi19]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

I keep saying this, but many people seem to be vastly overestimating how easy it is to just make a file of a specific style and difficulty.
At least, one that is tournament-viable: good difficulty curve, pattern variation, technically sound, proper length, FFR permission available, etc.

[psychoangel691]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

The current D3 tournament file is pretty much a low D4 file, and his score is pretty decent.

He's got 29 goods with misses and other stuff....

[krunkykai22]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 3

You do realize there are people in D6 with sdgs on 90s lmao. Skill gap is gonna be big no matter what the tourney admins do, only so much partitioning you can do with the amount of skillspread and participants in the tourney. The mentality that you won't join if you don't have a realistic shot at winning or placing well is poor in general, the goal of the tourney should be to push yourself to improve, not skate by/ place well with minimal effort.

I might as well break the 4th wall here. I'm Zanmato.

Anyway, absolutely. I completely understand and am aware that there are people that have SDG's on 90s+. However, if I'm not mistaken, some of them are on a "particular" skill. YoshL as a reference with his 93(?) sdg. It happened to be something that was to his strength.

But, that also brings up an interesting point. There are people in other divisions, that were/are borderline entrants into their own division. Also, there are those that are of the lower end of their "respective division" and they are forced to fight harder and harder.

It's an endless cycle. I understand that. I'm not degrading anyone, nor am I belittling what people say or think. It's just a shitty situation is all. Not much else you can do about it. But, I still truly feel that D6 should start on a much higher difficulty.


EDIT: Hi19: yes I completely understand that as well. Problem is with this site, is that there are not enough harder files in general. I understand the trouble it is to step a certain difficulty. BUT, if there were more harder files in game of any and all genres, I'm sure something would come about. I know it's a bitch to step something that would be deemed a "HARD" file, I can't for the life of me step anything above a 65 IF THAT. So please understand, I do get what you're saying.