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  • TWG Little Mac
    FFR Player
    • Sep 2014
    • 0

    #2641
    Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

    Originally posted by TWG Pit
    Alright, so Little Mac, I started out by looking at your post history. You have 66 posts. For how involved you seemed in the game, you just have 66 posts, and most of these posts are in late game. Why?

    And don't say it's because you make each individual post larger on average than say me because for your level of involvement and the sheer amount of pages in this game that is pretty darn low.
    I definitely have ramped up my posting a bit in the later stages of the game, but honestly when there are fewer people left, it's almost required of me to start posting more in order to keep generating discussion. (Dead weight is hazardous when you're near the end after all) The only difference in my activity was the amount of posts, but as I have detailed before, I've kept up with the thread the entire time. So, my posts have increased a bit just out of necessity. If I didn't talk, we'd have at most... 4 people talking regularly in here.

    Originally posted by TWG Pit
    You chose Kirby between the Kirby/Fox stuff. IMO that's interesting, but at the same time you said ~null during that EOD too.
    I sure did choose Kirby at the last moment, but penalizing me for that I feels goes a bit too far. I was open and listening to kirby around that time and had a pretty early vote on Fox after listening to what Kirby was telling me. Only in the mass confusion at the end, compounded by the site loading slug-like, did I start to doubt myself. I guess paranoia dug in as I saw a lot of resistance going on, indicating that maybe we were right on wolves.

    Originally posted by TWG Pit
    You agreed to go after Sonic when there was little evidence for the lynch.

    You did this after voting for Sonic, which I still don't understand????

    You ended up voting for Yoshi after being apprehensive about it.
    I certainly did, and maybe at that time I was feeling a little too comfortable with the lead we had myself. I just thought that out of the two major suspicions during that time (Sonic and Meta Knight), sonic was the best one to go for given what I had seen. (Well lack there of from Sonic) Both of them were fairly inactive choices, but I just sided for Sonic. Not to mention, I was consistent with that read (although wrong..) when a lot of traction built up on Meta Knight because of his suspicious posting that happened before he was near-lynch.

    A vote for Yoshi was a large mistake. That mistake was namely that I was not questioning even my most solid of green reads at the time. I felt safe in Yoshi because it just seemed that so many of my other green reads I was confident with was not okay with Yoshi as well. I did deliberate a lot of this though, and you're right, apprehensive is the best word to describe that. I was so convinced for such a long time that Yoshi just didn't give a damn at all, and that explained the UTR Green EoD behavior (and I was hardcore meta'ing Yoshi's actual player x_x). I should've followed through with my instincts all along.

    Originally posted by TWG Pit
    Anyway, something else I've noticed is that although you're very active in the thread now, many of your votes seem to be lazy. And by lazy, I mean on inactive players which you can't really make much of a case for because... well.. there's nothing to base information off of.

    You seem like someone who would want as much information available as possible. I'm pretty sure you even told me that I should defend myself because it gives info later in the game

    So I'm also going to ask you why your voting patterns for the past couple of days have also been very strange.

    Though I'll be honest, I don't know why Ike was still killed if you were on his case too, but I guess the night kills don't have to always match up like that.
    It's not that my votes are very lazy, per se, but I feel I've been making poor decisions with voting using some green associations I've been trusting for quite some time now. I certainly have given the majority of players (yourself included) a lot of thought, but I decided a vote for anyone else would be a bit too convoluted, and that's why my vote has rested with Yoshi for the last two phases.

    With Yoshi gone, there really aren't that many more options that make sense based on voting patterns anymore. I feel Villager has been in a precarious position for quite some time and his voting pattern doesn't really make much sense outside of being red. If one of the last two people that I'm questioning ends up dying in the night, then I'll have my mind fairly made up on who I think the last wolf is.

    I don't think the Ike kill really made sense no matter HOW you looked at it. It was pretty similar to some of the earlier kills that made almost no sense. If anything, it pinned poor voting on inactives.



    Pit I'd like to ask you just a few questions too, mostly relating to your role claim.

    When you came out as your role of Oracle, was this in opposition to Greninja in any way? Did you not fully trust what Greninja was saying? I'm still finding it very hard to justify the exact reasoning you chose to come out when you were under no pressure. (This was pre- auto win plan) The reason I have found was that you wanted to "shake things up".

    You also used your possession of a role to explain why you've been a bit wishy washy this game, and now to explain why you're most likely not going to be killed tonight.

    Why do you feel you would be such a big target tonight? If anything, if they kill you, they would confirm your flip and absolve you of all suspicion. (And of course kill you but ya)

    Nothing is honestly a sure thing until the flip, which is why I am a bit wary to get too into it lest I do influence some sort of night decision.

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    • TWG Little Mac
      FFR Player
      • Sep 2014
      • 0

      #2642
      Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

      Originally posted by TWG Pit
      If I don't die I'll be around more, but I'm still fully expecting to be dead.

      but if I don't die
      hype actually I don't trust myself to be helpful to the town wolves kill me
      and to clarify, I'm referencing this.

      Where you believe you will die, but then you say that you WANT them to kill you, as if there's a chance you won't.

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      • TWG Pit
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2014
        • 1

        #2643
        Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

        most likely will

        Yes, I doubted Greninja's claim when he claimed, and I was frustrated because since there was the possibility of multiple oracles, I could not counter-claim myself.
        Then Mega Man said that there is likely just one Oracle in the game, and seeing how the entire thing with Bowser panned out, I trsted him.

        Idk what you mean by wishy washy, but I didn't know what to do with my oracle role. I felt like while I would want to die at some point, I also didn't want to die at the beginning of the game since a late game flip would be much more valuable, so I was purposely slipping some strange stuff when I wrote so that the wolves would let me live. Obviously I didn't think this out too well, but meh.

        That last quote was just me being silly. Of course I don't want to die in this game.

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        • TWG Little Mac
          FFR Player
          • Sep 2014
          • 0

          #2644
          Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

          I just ask because the Oracle's role is used when they are killed and BOTH of you being legitimate Oracles suddenly hard claiming before the auto win strategy discussion means that we go from a possibility of have two potential cardflips to zero potential cardlfips just like that. I couldn't see it any other way than I huge hit to the human side.

          I think maybe you just got a bit excited and yeah the whole counterclaiming, I can SEE how that's concerning.

          But it's not outlandish to have both of you in that role, especially because a medic could be absent this game or something? It just hurts because you are a huge target in that respect now, and we've seen from Greninja's outcome that she didn't even get to use her power.

          So in summary, I'm salty and confused about it.

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          • TWG Pit
            FFR Player
            • Sep 2014
            • 1

            #2645
            Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

            Yeah, sorry for what happened !!!

            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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            • TWG Little Mac
              FFR Player
              • Sep 2014
              • 0

              #2646
              Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

              it's just twg, life moves on~

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              • Xiz
                TWG Chaos
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2012
                • 3399

                #2647
                Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                In the night...


                King Dedede got a job offer at a maid cafe due to his student loans piling up.




                He was a Townie. Day 10 starts now, will end on November 3rd @ 11:59pm server

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                • TWG Link
                  FFR Player
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 0

                  #2648
                  Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                  Villager, would appreciate it if you would actually post something. I think you're suspected by everyone here at this point. And considering it's MYLO, we can't afford any mistakes.

                  Paranoid about Pit not dying, but still going to trust her tentatively because the Oracle claim still seems legitimate to me.


                  I'm busy with work and classes for most of this morning and afternoon, but I'll be home a few hours before the phase ends and try to devote all my time to figuring things out. Let's try to get some posts in when we can and make sure to be online at end of day if possible.

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                  • TWG Pit
                    FFR Player
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 1

                    #2649
                    Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                    ok wolves, ok

                    Most likely Little Mac and Villager though guys. I just don't get why I wasn't killed.

                    Originally posted by TWG Little Mac
                    You also used your possession of a role to explain why you've been a bit wishy washy this game, and now to explain why you're most likely not going to be killed tonight.
                    This looks like a slip if you think about it. This was probably sent after the wolves sent in their kill to Xiz.

                    Cya tonight if you guys are going to be around.

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                    • TWG Little Mac
                      FFR Player
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 0

                      #2650
                      Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                      Not a slip. Tried clarifying what I meant in the next post.

                      You said you were most likely going to die, but then you hinted you may not die and explicitly told the wolves to kill you. (That post I quoted)

                      You already answered that for me though.

                      be back from work around 8:30-9 tonight guys. I'll do what I can from here on my phone though in the meantime.

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                      • TWG Link
                        FFR Player
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 0

                        #2651
                        Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                        I'm here now.
                        I haven't eaten anything since 7AM, so I'll probably leave to eat something in a bit, but I want to start getting my gears going.

                        I'm hoping for Villager-Little Mac, but honestly, I'm not even entirely confident on that, so I'm going to start from zero and look at everyone with a clean slate. Based on that (and knowing I'm town), there are only 6 possibilities for me to analyze:

                        Little Mac
                        Mega Man

                        Little Mac
                        Pit

                        Little Mac
                        Villager

                        Mega Man
                        Pit

                        Mega Man
                        Villager

                        Pit
                        Villager


                        Yes, I realize this is a bit silly, but I'm not going to miss a beat if I can help it.

                        Going to start looking through the topic now and finding support and refutation of all the pairings.

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                        • TWG Link
                          FFR Player
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 0

                          #2652
                          Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                          Originally posted by TWG Pit
                          Done catching up! Yikes. I gotta head to class soon so this might not be the best update ever, but I'll have some time in an hour so here goes nothing!!!

                          I really like Link, especially in the long post he made. You brought up some good points about a few players in the game, and I'm okay with Ike now.

                          Villager is someone I wouldn't want to see gone, mostly because his play seems too weird to be lynch-worthy.

                          I'm kinda okay with Peach, Her (lol his) reaction post to Wii Fit Trainer's death was a bit weird, but we know who Peach is now so I see that as a reason to keep him around.

                          I still really don't like Sonic. And Yoshi. I'm pretty sure I know who Yoshi is too.

                          I find Bowser still a bit off but not someone I'd want gone today.

                          Pikachu just shouldn't die this phase. Completely useless lynch.

                          I can hop on a Megaman wagon for pushing on a Mario lynch when really there's other pretty inactive people.

                          I wouldn't want to see a KiTB between Mario and Pikachu. I thought the rule for D1 was to try to gain information from a lynch.
                          What would a lynch between those two really give us.
                          Bowser was on the Megaman lynch too at the time. I also don't see such an avid busser in Pit. Pit-Megaman is out.

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                          • TWG Link
                            FFR Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 0

                            #2653
                            Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                            Actually, I want to pose a question. To what degree do you all believe bussing occurred between the wolves? With 6 wolves, it would be absurd for them not to have at least gone so far as vote each other. But do you think they would push for lynches?

                            Mostly asking because part of my confusion in finding a pairing is that we've all more or less suspected one another at one point.

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                            • TWG Link
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 0

                              #2654
                              Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                              Originally posted by TWG Little Mac
                              As you pointed out, there are likely to be candidates from both sections. However, I am more comfortable at this point to place a vote on a person who has amassed a great amount of posts/posted substantially so that in the case it is a "bad" lynch, it is still a "revealing" lynch. This gives us the opportunity to branch out to new leads as opposed to punching someone's lights out before and having nothing to show for it.

                              btw I've watched a complete playthrough of my premiere game and still have no idea how to roleplay based on it so I'm just going to start posting normally. I apologize.

                              I see villager bouncing around here firing off green/red/mason bros I don't even know and it's a bit unsettling. I'm resting my vote here and preparing to be told why I'm wrong by Villager himself. lol.

                              While I see the reasoning behind the Mega Man lynch, I feel people are jumping at this far too quickly. Sure, singling out Mario is very arbitrary, but his continued posting and the support for his own decision felt green to me. Be cautious about who is jumping where for what reason because as I was reading it through the first time myself I was just like, "Okay, but why?"
                              Noteworthy, I believe. Day 0 vote for Villager, though it seems tentative.

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                              • TWG Pit
                                FFR Player
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 1

                                #2655
                                Re: TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

                                hey sorry i'm actually gonna be busy until ~10:30 server time

                                But to answer Link's question, I'd think that they'd bus each other, and while they wouldn't be adamantly forcing lynches on their partners, they wouldn't mind bussing one or two in a large game like this.

                                If they were pushing for a lynch on their partners, it'd probably be earlier in the game when they had more numbers.

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