Religion

[The_Q]

RE: Re: religion

Religious questions are best answered by your local pastor, not us. Here there are people who don't know what they're talking about. If you want to consult a pastor, I recommend consulting more than one from many different denominations. If you prefer poring over the Bible for answers, try to use different translations.

In short, don't ask religious questions in here because they cannot be answered by us. And if they can, the answer will be flamed. Truth is, there is no answer. People interpret it all differently. Go find your own interpretation. Just don't step on anyone's toes while doing it.

Q

[Pinsy14]

First of all I just want to put out there that on my previous post when I came to the conclusion that religion had some men of Greed I was refering to personal experiences, Guido, that led me make that statement.

You are indeed right, however, that I needed to take many more situations, variables, and ideas into consideration when I stated that religion might not have been the cornerstone if you will, of keeping people in line before the modern era. I have to admit if I were unarmed and a man with a giant sword with dried blood all over it told me to do something, I would probably agree.

What about jewpin's idea that science will either prove or disprove God's existence comes true (someday). Let's say just for "WHAT IF's" sake that some hot shot scientist proves that God does not exist. What then? Do you think that every single human being is just going to conform up to science and say, "hey you know what, im sick of praying on deaf ears and you know what, I BELIEVE that scientist to be correct in every shape and manner." NOT A CHANCE. Bring on the Wars. Personally I am an agnostic as I have said, and I don't believe it to be possible to prove one way or the other. The only way to find out for certain is to die. My point is, I can sit here all day and write 10,000 words on, "What if this, and What if that." I was merely expressing an opinion, not fact.

As for my statement about religion being outdated, I'm very glad you commented on the same. Never in my brief opinionated discussion did I ever mention Faith in the negative. Personally I am overwhelmed in my faith, however, not with God. I believe the Bible and the Quran to be written by men before their times, who had great ideas, intentions, and thoughts of Faith, but the fact remains that they were both books the MUST have been written by men (in my eyes). We have no solid proof to believe otherwise. The Word of God? Only a God would know if that is true.

Stlunatic had a interesting point. I agree that religion was created in a time when there was almost no technology and religion worked in controlling the masses, for a while. Now we have mass education (for larger econ. status countries) and governments for that control. That is what I believe to be outdated. Not Faith, not the idea of moral right or wrong, or other ideas or guidelines to remain in good faith of whatever you hold to be dear. I can only hope for centuries to come, those ideas will remain.

Guido, however I admit when I first viewed your post in contempt of mine, I was insane with anger, I thank you for criticism on the whole. You have further involved me in a debate I am probably the most opinionated about and I'm sure human beings will continue this debate for many years to come. Next time try not to get as offended by mere ideas and opinions of someone who is most likely older, wiser, and of a different origin that yourself.

Jewpin; friend and fellow of whom also "prays." I like to refer to is as hoping and dreaming, however. This is mostlyy because of my personal past experience with the word prayer. I agree with the comfort you speak. I can attest to lonely nights on post in the military, where I have had to use that comfort. Dreams keep my mind straight, and hope gives me the strength to face tomorrow. Karma. Couldn't come up with a better word if I tried. Well put.

Hopefully I'll get the chance to comment on my beliefs about the universe and space time in the near future, but for now I must go to bed. Peace

[senate7377]

your opening argument disproves and proves itself in perspcetive to Qs statement. There if would be a matter of the "Chicken and the egg". God made science or did science make god? THis is why religeon is based on FAITH, and not facts as science is. Read the bible or Koran, or Book of the Dead , or Book or Mormon, or whateve you want to read - your answers will be based upon your own beliefs simply because you will look for hte answers you want (if yo have a closed mind). Q's right - talk to a pastor, rabbi, priest, even a deacon... they'll shed biased light on certain aspects of somethings you may be wondering. Religeon is not outdated - the manner in which it is viewed and acted upon however...

Remember FAITH - HOPE - BELIEF are VERY different things, and I have a firend that, hates the church...so much so that hes got a tat that reads beLIEve with praying hands. It menas belive the lie. Now adays hes ergret ful and seeks repentance for that but will he get it? Thats all on how you look at it. We are men and not a diety so anything even a pastor or priest will say is pure speculation and opinion based on belief. It plays into the blief, hope and faith being different.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: religion

FALSE. Religion WAS made to control the masses back when technology was not advanced enough to do so.


PS: REFUTATION OF ARGUMENTS BY BRAINY RELIGIOUS TYPES
LOL
But, aren't you like 15-16?

False? Show me some proof of that. You may be thinking of some people twisting religion to control others (as opposed to creating religion to do so), but even then there are more examples of religion having nothing to do with control than otherwise.

Oh, and he's nineteen.

And on that note, Pinsy, I'm one of the oldest posters on these forums (I'm nearly twenty-one), though I don't blame you for the assumption. And, for what it's worth, I wasn't offended at all.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Pinsy14]

RE: Re: religion

guido.. i am 21... soon to be 22 in fact..

[Chocoborider29]

Re: RE: Religion

Religion sucks. It's all lies. Anyone who disagrees with me will go to hell.

wayyy wrong, ricer. I'll be laughing at you from the stars.
I CAN PROVE REIGION TO BE TRUE THROUGH THE GOD I TRUST!

I mean...the red sea, for instance. I have found it very od that irregular coral growth has been found in a single 5 mile wide strip, from one side to the toher, right through the center. The most common growth is a 2 sided tabletop figure, usually with holes in the top, or ridges in a patternlike form. In the times before BC, the axle of a chariot was commonely the strongest piece made, because it had to support a wodden wheel over untamed grounds, usually proving to give a very rough ride. it also had to support the cab, and the pull of the horse. when an axle disconnects, it disconnects going downwards, not upwards. It wouldn't make sense that the axle disconnect upwards, where it was focused on supporting the chariot. when that happens, it means that the upper forces have been set off-balance (the chariot tips over) It was a common mishap is the design.
So, we can conclude that the isrealites DID go through the red sea, because coral took form of NOT JUST THE AXLE, BUT MANY PARTS OF CHARIOTS, AND CORPSES.

If you really want me to go farther, just ask

[Chocoborider29]

Read the bible or Koran, or Book of the Dead , or Book or Mormon, or whateve you want to read - your answers will be based upon your own beliefs simply because you will look for hte answers you want

haha, thank you for describing our closed mind individuals, but people who STRONGLY believe that the answers they WANT are the ones they GET are called aetheist! They want to be the top dog, and so inferiority complex sets in.

If such a small group considers a God, maybe God is just underrated. Nobody in the Christian house just LIES to bring others to God. They use life experiences and discoveries, much like I did with the red sea discovery, to help others understand why we worship a God.

If anyone's LOOKING for answers, they shouldn't have any expectations. Lo and behold, an answer discovered and an answer anticipated are two different values.

[Tank101]

People who actually try to PROOVE that a religion is right is defeating the whole purpose of why religion was created.

I could write a 4 paragraph post explaining, but it's pretty self evident about what I mean.

[jewpinthethird]

Nobody in the Christian house just LIES to bring others to God.

This is true. Lies alone will not attract many people. You need things like loud music and skateboard ramps and fireworks if you want people's attention.

[Chocoborider29]

Jewpin, don't be so blind. If we really did just lie, we'd be defeating the purpose of christianity in its whole. Now, go ahead and just CLAIM I'M WRONG, but you haven't any proof that we lie to bring ppl in. I am truly dissapointed that they put a bigot like you in such a high place.

[The_Q]

Now, go ahead and just CLAIM I'M WRONG, but you haven't any proof that we lie to bring ppl in.

You, my dull blade, are destroying your point. What the problem with faith is that we don't know if it is a lie or not. I choose to think that I'm not living out a lie. Agnostics aren't too sure about what it is. Atheists think that it's all just a hoax. What you're saying is "how could it attract people if it was a lie." Well, the same way it would be attracting if I said "I'll give you a million dollars because I love you. That goes for everyone in the world. Ever." Don't you want to go along with me? Pretty much, they may have no proof it's a lie but we have no solid proof it's not a lie.

Now, let's hit the matter of insulting Jewpin for making a logical observation about his decision in faith. Don't do it. I called you a dull blade. Why? Because you have never made a logically sound post in CT your entire history here. It is deserved. Jewpin, on the other hand, was making a perfectly logical comment regarding the problems with faith. Does that deserve the name bigotry? I think not. Bigotry is persecuting another without reason and normally in the name of hatred. Logic is not bigotry.

Q

[Chocoborider29]

Okay, I'll back off. But read some other posts before claming it to be logic. There isn't a thing I've said that he hasn't attacked. Especially my thoughts energy drinks. He, in my logic, is just a little bit too loud for someone who claims the title of a critical thinker. Anybody can go an say "WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL" or "WE;RE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN" or even "THERE IS NO GOD" But oh, damn chocoborider for giving basic proof or basic theories on his beliefs, and give him a can of raid labeled like an energy drink because he's just to freaking stupid to know the difference. Now, I may be 14, but even a dog can tell the difference between getting kicked or tripped over.

[The_Q]

He, in my logic, is just a little bit too loud for someone who claims the title of a critical thinker.

In your opinion. Unfortunately, critical thinkers often rock the boat a bit. Get used to it. And honestly, that's not all that loud. I've done worse.

But oh, damn chocoborider for giving basic proof or basic theories on his beliefs, and give him a can of raid labeled like an energy drink because he's just to freaking stupid to know the difference.

Where in God's name did you get that from. (God's name. Religion thread. Hee hee.)

Now, I may be 14, but even a dog can tell the difference between getting kicked or tripped over.

Oooh, I should use something like that sometime. Oh, I think I will.

If a dog can work it out in its head faster than a 14 year old, it's most likely logical.

Q

[Chocoborider29]

What are you insisting I do anyways? Other than taunting me and telling yourself that you're smart, you really haven't done a thing.

[The_Q]

I insist that you open up your mind and study religion before making claims. For instance, don't explain to people why WE believe but why YOU believe. We don't have the same reasons, evidently, from me to you. Don't make the assumption that we do or people will call us hypocrites and more will fall from the religion.

Simple little logic problems like that.

Q