TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

[TWG Pit]

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I feel like it's better to hunt from the active pool this phase. Taking down inactives is not only a cop out but the flip gives us nothing to go off of.

[TWG Pit]

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Oh Little Mac said the same thing.

I was out when I saw a post that had to do with which pool we should think about lynching out of so whoops

[TWG Charizard]

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I stake whatever's left of my TWG reputation that Cpt Falcon is Red Blaster

Nah, you're 100% definitely without a doubt Red Blaster, or at least somebody who's imitating him.

[TWG Charizard]

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Would like to see some cohesive votes by then plz.

Lead us by example then.

[TWG Charizard]

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I see villager bouncing around here firing off green/red/mason bros I don't even know and it's a bit unsettling

Why would you call this unsettling? Isn't firing off reads on other players part of the game?

[TWG Little Mac]

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Why would you call this unsettling? Isn't firing off reads on other players part of the game?

Reads are certainly part of the game! Reads make the world go 'round~ Well thought-out reads which display scrutiny to whom they are directed at.

There just appears to be no discretion at all with ANY of his posts. It's the most whimsical process in the world watching him vacillate between just about everyone. That's what I find unsettling.

[TWG Charizard]

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I went back and reread the Mega Man thing and I'm not too convinced he contradicted himself. Pikachu and Mario are both blank posting, but Pikachu is still quoting others and placing votes and purposely calling attention to himself whereas Mario is a lurker and has only responded once to something that didn't concern him, and that was to the ultra-inactive Shulk. Mega Man calling out Mario did manage to get a few more shitposts out of him, but after his Mega Man vote (which, unlike Pikachu's votes on inactives, likely arose out of defense of Mega Man's push and the anti-Mega Man sentiment in the thread) he hasn't been heard from since, though I have seen him lurking. I would agree that Pikachu is less suspicious than Mario despite similar behavior, though I wouldn't clear either.

Another thing I found interesting in that conversation was that seven minutes after Mega Man's post Captain Falcon made this post, wedged between Peach and Link giving shit to Mega Man:

It'll be interesting to see who gets seered.

Note that there is no reference to Mega Man, no casting of suspicions on his Pikachu vs Mario argument, just this general statement.

Then, an hour after this post (which is after Link, Fox, Yoshi, and Peach for the second time have all casted doubt on Mega Man) Falcon says this:

Oh my..
Mega Chump is really pushing for that Mario lynch.

A few hours later Mega Man makes a retort to the initial batch of suspicions, to which Falcon replies:

I don't like this post at all.

No reasoning, no specific passages from Mega Man's post, just a general dislike. This post also comes six minutes after Mega Man's, which is about the same amount of time it took for Falcon to ignore Mega Man the first time around.

I think if you're looking for somebody who hopped onto Mega Man thinking it would be an easy, surefire train, Falcon is likely to be your person.

[TWG Charizard]

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Reads are certainly part of the game! Reads make the world go 'round~ Well thought-out reads which display scrutiny to whom they are directed at.

There just appears to be no discretion at all with ANY of his posts. It's the most whimsical process in the world watching him vacillate between just about everyone. That's what I find unsettling.

Would you say that posting readings indiscriminately is wolf behavior then? I could see that if the reads were contradictory or became forgotten about over time, but Villager seems to be consistent. Link did something similar to Villager, pulling out quotes from across the thread and offering his takes on them, but he confined them all to one post whereas Villager will often turn what could be one or two posts into ten or fifteen. However, I think that shows transparency in his thought process, that he's not afraid to post at the speed of thought.

[TWG Little Mac]

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I went back and reread the Mega Man thing and I'm not too convinced he contradicted himself.

This is the general feeling I had too when I first read it. Mega Man was never clearly at odds with himself and even stated his reasoning fairly transparently as to why he chose Mario over Pikachu. (He had a post which showed that people were trying to fit the same argument to two different players)

Note that there is no reference to Mega Man, no casting of suspicions on his Pikachu vs Mario argument, just this general statement.

I do find his post of "I wonder who will be seered" to be strongly out of place. However, there are a few more instances floating around the thread where people interject seemingly out of place sentiments. The pattern of Falcon's posts around that area aren't cohesive, but I don't know whether I can attribute that to the actual player behind the character or simply wolf behavior.

Would you say that posting readings indiscriminately is wolf behavior then? I could see that if the reads were contradictory or became forgotten about over time, but Villager seems to be consistent. Link did something similar to Villager, pulling out quotes from across the thread and offering his takes on them, but he confined them all to one post whereas Villager will often turn what could be one or two posts into ten or fifteen. However, I think that shows transparency in his thought process, that he's not afraid to post at the speed of thought.

You can spin it that way as well, agreed. If I could verify that his posts are tantamount to a "stream of consciousness" then it look far more innocent. But in a case like this, I have to trust more of my own intuition about how villager is approaching arguments and choosing sides to take. A wolf can play just as intrepidly as a "villager" and in this sense, I sense more going on than quick, harmless reactions others.

[TWG Charizard]

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I do find his post of "I wonder who will be seered" to be strongly out of place. However, there are a few more instances floating around the thread where people interject seemingly out of place sentiments. The pattern of Falcon's posts around that area aren't cohesive, but I don't know whether I can attribute that to the actual player behind the character or simply wolf behavior.

In addition to being "strongly out of place" as you say, I think the most damning part of the post is that seven minutes had passed between it and the Mega Man post that got people riled up and yet no mention of it was made. This was the ground floor of the Mega Man train, and Falcon opted to ponder seerings instead.

You can spin it that way as well, agreed. If I could verify that his posts are tantamount to a "stream of consciousness" then it look far more innocent. But in a case like this, I have to trust more of my own intuition about how villager is approaching arguments and choosing sides to take. A wolf can play just as intrepidly as a "villager" and in this sense, I sense more going on than quick, harmless reactions others.

What is it specifically about the ways that Villager is "approaching arguments and choosing sides to take" that makes your intuition see it as "more than quick, harmless reactions?" Is it the actual reads themselves or do you think he's employing a stream of consciousness style because it's good cover or is it something else entirely?

[TWG Pit]

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IMO it looks pretty difficult to emulate stream-of-consciousness type posts for a wolf.

I don't really have anything on Captain Falcon either. I checked his post count and it's in the 40's, but a lot of his posts feel like empty space.

[TWG Pit]

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Empty space was a bad word to use, but I guess you get the gist of what I was saying.

[TWG Little Mac]

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What is it specifically about the ways that Villager is "approaching arguments and choosing sides to take" that makes your intuition see it as "more than quick, harmless reactions?" Is it the actual reads themselves or do you think he's employing a stream of consciousness style because it's good cover or is it something else entirely?

It's a mixture of the two you mentioned, however more strongly concentrated on the latter. I feel his style of posting lends itself to flying to any accusation without fear of being condemned for it as readily as others. Given it's a facade, it's a great one to put on.

A player used the word "aggressive" to describe his style, which is the closest description in my opinion. It's an aggressiveness that naturally allows posting in a way that appears harmless.

I'm going out for dinner now, but I'll be back well before EOD to see how everyone else weighed in.

[TWG Mega Man]

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I feel like it's better to hunt from the active pool this phase. Taking down inactives is not only a cop out but the flip gives us nothing to go off of.

I disagree! I think, given a game where there's enough inactives for wolves to hide in, early pressure is best spent on inactives.

Why? Same reason wolves always start by silencing the active humans: Because this game is all about relationships! Players who do not make reads cannot be read. They are blind spots in the web.

Active players will naturally come into focus in the big picture over time. Inactives, though... you gotta apply a little heat on them to see where they fit into everything!

[TWG Mega Man]

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Some good points from Charizard concerning Captain Falcon. I'd like to expand on this bit:

No reasoning, no specific passages from Mega Man's post, just a general dislike. This post also comes six minutes after Mega Man's, which is about the same amount of time it took for Falcon to ignore Mega Man the first time around.

That's not even counting the time he ignored me after I addressed him directly! Immediately after a votecount, Falcon asked:

Hey ya fire breathin' chumps, why the votes on Sonic?

I thought this defense was weird. Not was the pressure on Sonic deserved, considering he had contributed dick-all since the game started, there were two other players with the same number of votes! So I asked what was up with that:

Hey turbobird! Why are you curious about people voting Sonic specifically? Bowser and Lil' Mac each have two votes too - heck, Bowser even has three now, thanks to me! I'm Mega Man!!

And... whaddya know! He ignored me!

Still wouldn't mind hearing your answer to this question, Bart Lemming!