TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Syndrome]

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Sorry about bringing You up for that "point of no return" thing yzma when you were third or something, but i dont really know what to think

[TWG Yzma]

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A hero would likely want to save the gun for the end of the game where they can zerg and win

But coming out in public about it doesn't really make sense, regardless I would feel comfortable if that gun was gone

[TWG Gantu]

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Hades grouping Hook and Auto together but pushing Hook wouldn't be damning on its own.

When nobody bought Hook, and Auto got completely abandoned by Hades, that's a little more damning.

Then Hades flips HERO? it is so obvious, considering Hook was being presented as a "no lose" choice that would clear Auto as villain? I'd almost go ahead and call for a gunshot.

Bonus points: If Our gun-toter can't/won't/refuses to do it, we consider that they never got a gun in the first place and are the last hero trying to make sure they stay off the lynching block.

I say Auto now, and consider calling for the Vigi to get the flip early. Though obviously don't just go shooting willy nilly.

[TWG Captain Hook]

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Dont just at the activity certain people have, look at how others are acting towards thise certain people. Like auto hasnt done shit, but people are suspicious because of how hades was acting towards him.

I don't feel the same as you guys do about auto. I'm feeling more toward Maleficent and Ursula as hero's right now. Let me pull up some posts and such.

[TWG Maleficent]

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only reason i'm not jumping on charles muntz is because the heroes might think killing the cop is way more important than some random inactive guy with no available reads

[TWG Yzma]

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Wait does the shooter get a card flip too??

[TWG Syndrome]

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Risky because if he's an actual power role he gets revealed. Especially if he's the medic

What...

[TWG Charles Muntz]

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The Queen, that's the obvious plan. I'm not risking this shit again but I have something else in mind.
Claiming gun and not using it would be the dumbest thing I did had I not a reason for it. Would I have died in the night, I'd have been a meat shield for whatever PR could have been hit, and so I was wondering how the wolves would react to it. Seeing as they didn't hit, they must have had a reason for it.
Looking into this phase, there's some lazy ass framing from Syndrome & Yzma onto me on the basis that I claimed gun. Syndrome even retracts himself but still hold on to his push in 821. Odd. Their more recent posts also show a curious dynamic between the two (acknowledging each other (light bussing?), being apologetic (twice)). I'm especially looking at Yzma at post 841 and for now expressing she wants the gun gone.

I'm thinking it's really easy for wolves to dismiss me having a gun by saying I'm lying. It's an agreeable supposition, but I don't believe it merits a push this early. W/W nah, but one of them being wolf I can get behind.

Yzma

[TWG Maleficent]

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i wanna see charles' opinion on the auto theory regardless

[TWG Yzma]

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Charles I don't doubt you have the gun.

What I'm worried about is that you're a hero saving the gun to get the heroes to win at the end.

[Xiz]

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to clarify, the person shooting the gun will be revealed, however the person shooting will not be card flipped


Example: Xiz reveals a gun and shoots TWG Canada

(Then Canada's card flip will happen)

[TWG Charles Muntz]

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Oh man, shooting the fun sounds cool.

[TWG Charles Muntz]

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Oh wait you edited nvm.

Yzma, the gun's action is public. How is that benefficial if claiming there as gunner would be sudden death for a hero?

[TWG Captain Hook]

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Dont just at the activity certain people have, look at how others are acting towards thise certain people. Like auto hasnt done shit, but people are suspicious because of how hades was acting towards him.

Maybe I'm totally stupid here but how is how hades was acting towards auto make him Hero?

He was on auto early

Interesting, because I feel the same way about Gaston and Auto. Both are all snark and no content.

He narrowed the day down to just auto and I, basically keeping on the two easiest targets from the previous day.

I really thought we had something with Hans. Disappointing.

The last vote by Auto is probably one of two things: a Hero saving another Hero (Hook) from a lynch, or just a misguided/unlucky Villain breaking the tie.

I cannot imagine that a Hero Auto would save a Villain Hook from KITB. There is no potential upside from breaking the KITB. A Hero Auto would have known that breaking the tie would flip a green, and make him the center of attention for the next day phase.

If we lynch Auto today and he comes up Hero, Hook is almost certainly Hero
If we lynch Auto today and he comes up Villain, Hook could be either
If we lynch Hook today and he comes up Hero, Auto could be either
If we lynch Hook today and he comes up Villain, Auto is almost certainly Villain

I believe our lynches today should be between Hook and Auto, since they will give us the most information. Based on the above, if we lynch Hook, we either get a Hero or we clear Auto. If we lynch Auto we either double up, or we get nothing.

Because a Hook lynch is win-win, I vote for Hook. Either we get a Hero in hook, in which case we can re-evaluate an Auto lynch, or Hook comes up Villain and we can clear Auto.

And it's not ignoring peoples' behaviors. Behavior is the reason that I focused on Hook and Auto, maybe I didn't make that clear. The only reason I thought this through was because both Hook and Auto are looking more than a little Heroic to me at this point.

Hook's attitude bothered me all day. He refused to try to contribute at the beginning of the day and put off any attempts to get information from him, which to me seemed like an attempt to get back off the radar without providing anything that could be used against him later. When that didn't work, he went inactive for a while (possibly trying to wait for everything to blow over). During this time, if I remember correctly, Auto came to his defense (just another piece of data linking them).

Gaston had a similar attitude that also bothered me, and I would consider voting for him if there isn't a push in the Hook/Auto direction.

Shere Khan either needs to start posting or be replaced.

I suppose that I was thinking that clearing someone on Day Two would help in the long run, but I am also 100% on board with a vote on Auto, I said so from the beginning. I don't think you know what hedging your bet means. It doesn't mean going all or nothing, it means making sure that you get something no matter what the outcome is.

Because it seems like neither Hook nor Auto will be on the chopping block today, I will change my vote to Shere Khan until he posts something useful or gets replaced.

I stand by my logic, but it is only useful if we are choosing between Hook and Auto, which doesn't seem to be happening.

That is not the focal point behind my vote. The focal point of my vote was that I thought Hook and Auto both looked Heroic, and if we focus Hook we don't lose. Either we get a Hero (most likely) and then can reconsider Auto for Day Three, or if he turns Villa, we can clear Auto.

But again it looks like the vote is going elsewhere (nowhere) so I am only responding to defend myself and my logic.

I am fine with a Gaston lynch, as I already stated, and will switch my vote to him because I am not a Hero and do not want to be in a two vote KITB.

Gaston and Clayton would have been my next two Hero leans, but now that Clayton was replaced I'm willing to give his replacement a chance, for now.

So, yes, Gaston is my third favorite. But the reason I changed my vote from Shere Khan was self preservation.

I would love to vote for Cruella or Syndrome, but I'm not convinced that they're not just stupid Villains.

Absolutely. Auto

He primarily seemed to stay focused on Auto and myself. Granted he was going more towards me but why put so much pressure on Auto if he's a fellow villan? I suppose it could be a tactic, but it really just seems like he was going for the easiest wagons from the last phase.

I brought these posts up to also look at the other people he mentioned and/or voted on.

[TWG Captain Hook]

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Fellow Hero*