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  • dragon890x
    ☆Ξ Phantasy Star Legend Ξ☆
    • Jun 2005
    • 565

    #976
    Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

    To be honest, I understand where Izzy is coming from.

    The Japanese version has one huge barrier, the region.
    For those that have trouble understanding the language and are not in Japan, the game requires you to; rely on the 'unofficial' translation accuracy of others (use of translation programs were announced as illegal by Sega, and justifies the termination of your account), wait for information release, deal with extreme timezone changes, go through foreign payment processes, trust your account to a foreign company (Nexon is a good example of a company that after 4-5 years of service, banned foreign players), suffer damages by being unable to use their customer support systems, and have a hard time being able to relate to the majority of the player base (which is perhaps the most important aspect of them all).

    I've played foreign MMORPGs for years, some being within the Japan region. It does hold a player back.

    It requires an unbelievable amount of dedication. It often leads to a small, elitest foreign player base. Not only would one be limited to who they play with, but those they choose to play with might not be as enjoyable to be around than others which could be found in local games.

    If you don't believe me, then think back at the lobby room that's full of weeaboos. I forget the lobby number. I specifically remember the FFR guild pointing out to never go there, and I wonder why.

    The barrier affects one's understanding of their surroundings, and ultimately their reflexes for decision making. Those Japanese players who are being praised only seem like better players because they are in an environment that's familiar to them. The belief of Japanese players being better than American players is nothing more than a situational illusion.

    This is the reason why I could never stick to foreign MMORPGs.
    I always end up being left by myself in a world full of people I cannot fully relate to, or event make the attempt.

    A North American release of PSO2 would be nice.
    Sure, we all know that NA Sega wouldn't be able to hold their ground for long if they did. The game would be shut down in a few years.

    However, it's a nice dream. Izzy isn't wrong.
    Last edited by dragon890x; 05-2-2014, 05:05 AM.

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    • kommisar
      Dark Chancellor
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Music Producer
      • Jun 2005
      • 7328

      #977
      Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

      the translations are better than any official translation sega has ever done


      they are well known for being absolutely HORRENDOUS at translating anything (esp. french translation in sonic adventure 2 holy FUCK)


      there are enough english speakers in the jp servers and if you're polite the japanese often don't mind communicating with very basic english to help you out. aside from the mentality of the players from different cultures there is literally NO advantage to playing a north american version of the game. it'll die faster and lose support, it'll have very few updates compared to its japanese counterpart (level caps, new levels, items, events, etc.) and I honestly don't feel like playing an anemic 2 year late version of phantasy star just so I can hear its awkward voice acting and a complete plethora of b20 weaboo autistic sonic furfags spamming awkward and tragically unfunny picture arts everywhere in game.

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      • Izzy
        Snek
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Jan 2003
        • 9195

        #978
        Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

        The only reason I would care to play pso2 is for the fun casual and social experience. Not to mention the latency issues and hurdles you have to go through to give them money for in game credits or subscriptions. It just isn't worth the effort for me to play on the Japanese servers when I can just play something else and have fun doing that.

        On an entire server of English speakers there will still be a percentage of them that are more capable at playing games then the rest and those are the people you would try and have in a guild.

        Also I'm pretty sure PSU NA shut down at the same time as PSU JP.

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        • .Layne.
          ~~
          • Dec 2012
          • 711

          #979
          Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

          Originally posted by Izzy
          The only reason I would care to play pso2 is for the fun casual and social experience. Not to mention the latency issues and hurdles you have to go through to give them money for in game credits or subscriptions. It just isn't worth the effort for me to play on the Japanese servers when I can just play something else and have fun doing that.

          On an entire server of English speakers there will still be a percentage of them that are more capable at playing games then the rest and those are the people you would try and have in a guild.

          Also I'm pretty sure PSU NA shut down at the same time as PSU JP.
          Understood.

          However PSU NA is independently run by a completely different company.

          PSU NA closed down because of its lack of service and people playing, due to its huge failure in bringing promised content which was delayed for months every freaking time, Zak can relate to this.
          PSU JP closed down because it was only to force people to play/move to PSO2 at the time of its release, and at that time, there were MANY many people still playing this game.

          Again, just to clarify, SoJ (Sega of Japan) and SoA (Sega of America) are two completely different companies.
          SoJ rules over SoA when it comes to content and localization.
          SoA needs permission from SoJ to release content so before translating or localizing any patch, and if SoJ does not allow SoA to release any patch or content, then SoA cannot operate, people get mad. That's what happened to PSU NA.
          The key line is:
          If SoA releases anything from SoJ's content without permission, SoJ has the right to close down their server completely.
          This is why they were 2 1/2 years behind in patches.
          That's what's going to happen and everything's going to be so boring when there are no patches for quite a while, unless they completely come up with their own content.
          ....
          ....
          ....
          Unless you're superbly bored, you're going to deal with that xenophobic attitude from SoJ if they wanted to release whatever SoJ releases.


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          • kommisar
            Dark Chancellor
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Jun 2005
            • 7328

            #980
            Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

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            • Untimely Friction
              D6 Challeneged
              • Aug 2012
              • 1267

              #981
              Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

              Originally posted by dragon890x
              You're going to need a Full Health Drink when you find out they kept the names.

              no suan lah fantasy star wizard best leh
              Omg you're singaporean I have nightmares dealing with thousands of singaporeans in customer service oh god make them stop ._. ... la.

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              • Evnoir
                _(:3」∠)_
                • Sep 2008
                • 978

                #982
                Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                There's no reason to justify which server is better; everyone has their own reasons to play on either JP or NA server and their opinions most likely won't change.

                The good thing is that you have the option to switch if you really wanted to. As an example, SEA players can play both on the SEA and JP server as of right now. You can always test out which server suits you better and go on from there. I would assume it would be similar for when the NA server is released (at least for a short period of time).

                Going back some points that have been stated, Sakai obviously knows about the English translation patch. It was mentioned earlier by him either in his blog or in his interview that he was quite impressed with the quality of it. Also if you use the patch, you most likely use the tweaker. You can buy WM directly from the tweaker and charge it to AC in a breeze. I've yet to use the patch but from what I can read, it's miles better than SEA translations. On the same tangent, no one has gotten banned for using just the translation patch since way back in summer of last year. If anyone was to get banned now for 'using translations' or 'speaking English', it would be AIDA and we would know about it.

                Also I was doing TD2 eq with equal number of Japanese and English players and we did quite well in communicating. Some things were lost in translation but overall it was really fun to know that we can (sometimes) work together lol

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                • dragon890x
                  ☆Ξ Phantasy Star Legend Ξ☆
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 565

                  #983
                  Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                  Thanks for the detailed reply, Evnoir!

                  Most of my fears come from open possibilities and multiple points of failure.

                  I've experienced what it's like to have a $250+ account with years of time be banned due to a region block. It's kind of scary seeing the changes. I had to rely on proxies, and being unable to play if I was unable to find one. Proxies caused most people to quit, which left me in the server alone. Sure, there were Japanese players around, but my core group was lost.

                  Also, I remember the tweaker and it was pretty useful. But, from my perspective as a professional in the tech industry, it's also extremely scary. It's an executable with permission to edit files. This opens the door to hacking. Those working on the tweaker are not an official part of Sega. They could decide to use this popular program that many rely on to launch an attack. It might not even be a group decision, a rouge member or outsider who gained access to the code could set something like this up. An attack like this is actually shockingly common.

                  I'm not saying that PSO2 Japan is bad, or shouldn't be played.
                  These are just fears of mine that keep me from dedicating more of my time and money into it.

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                  • Zakvvv666
                    I catch fruit
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 2861

                    #984
                    Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                    I'm probably the only one around here who played PSU NA until it was shut down, it had enough people who knew what they were doing to have someone to play with, but had I been able to, I'd have chosen the JP server in an instant, it was just awful playing on NA, especially since we lost even more content than we were going to thanks to Microsoft shitting on everyone.

                    Other regions were "almost" banned completely from PSO2 due to the large amount of cheaters being from foreign countries, but thankfully that never happened, I feel pretty safe staying on JP and pouring money into AC every 3-4 months for premium etc. as SEGA actually cares about this game and so far they don't seem to want to get rid of the english speaking players.



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                    • Evnoir
                      _(:3」∠)_
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 978

                      #985
                      Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                      Since Zak didn't post it...

                      3-man SH Dark Falz Elder. All arms broken and no moons left lol... and Zak's pose far off in the distance.

                      Last edited by Evnoir; 05-5-2014, 11:26 AM.

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                      • Dizzy_Gear
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 256

                        #986
                        Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                        I've actually been thinking of starting to play PSO2, now that I have a GOOD laptop to play on, with a beastin video card. I'm just always worried that when I DO start playing, I'd end up playing all alone. *looks at the hundreds of hours I've clocked into PSOBB, PSOPC, PSOep1+2Plus(GC). ;_; I hate being that ONE guy who doesn't know exactly what I'm doing right out of the box, which usually makes me steer clear of playing with people on most games to begin with.
                        Originally posted by kommisar
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                        • .Layne.
                          ~~
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 711

                          #987
                          Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                          woo!

                          got my first 11* from Elder, finally!



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                          • kommisar
                            Dark Chancellor
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 7328

                            #988
                            Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                            Originally posted by Zakvvv666
                            I'm probably the only one around here who played PSU NA until it was shut down, it had enough people who knew what they were doing to have someone to play with, but had I been able to, I'd have chosen the JP server in an instant, it was just awful playing on NA, especially since we lost even more content than we were going to thanks to Microsoft shitting on everyone.

                            Other regions were "almost" banned completely from PSO2 due to the large amount of cheaters being from foreign countries, but thankfully that never happened, I feel pretty safe staying on JP and pouring money into AC every 3-4 months for premium etc. as SEGA actually cares about this game and so far they don't seem to want to get rid of the english speaking players.
                            I remember when they threatened to ban foreign players.


                            it would've been the WORST business decision SEGA has ever done, and they have done a fuckload of bad decisions over the years

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                            • Herogashix
                              D7 Dating Sim Player
                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 2183

                              #989
                              Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                              Sick Nasuyoteri.
                              Everyone I know is getting a bunch of 11*s and I'm still waiting for my first. :c

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                              • kommisar
                                Dark Chancellor
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                FFR Music Producer
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 7328

                                #990
                                Re: Phantasy Star Online 2

                                what an unfortunate waste of money to get technique IV HAHA











                                aaaaaaand I lost Technique IV. Added Stigma and Modulator instead????????? I'm not evnoir tier at doing dis
                                Last edited by kommisar; 05-6-2014, 06:54 AM.

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