Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

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  • rayword45
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    FFR Simfile Author
    • Feb 2007
    • 3212

    #31
    Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

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    • Reshiram
      The Vast White Note
      FFR Simfile Author
      • May 2011
      • 1224

      #32
      Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

      Thermosphere. That's about as close as you can get. Really.

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      • XelNya
        [Kaho]
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Sep 2012
        • 3369

        #33
        Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

        Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
        This Is A really hard question
        I would argue it's more of the wrong question to ask.

        The question that should matter is "what chart would you argue is the best done and why?" This leaves more room for deviation and discussion. Perfection is a stupid ideal nothing can obtain in a highly subjective art form.

        TLDR: Question sucks.

        However, if you asked me what my answer to my rephrased version is, I'd pick a tie between Teni and Twister. I like Twister more out of preference, but Teni easily holds as it's own masterpiece on par of my personal favorite.

        If I went for SM I'd probably choose Am I A Psycho? It's fun and has great chart structure. Super well thought out mine placement, quality cut to keep it playable to whomever wishes to. You could even turn the mines off and still have a pleasurable experience. Turn the rate up and you still have a fun challenge. It's pretty much a well rounded chart that reaches to everyone while still representing the music.

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        • ilikexd
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Apr 2006
          • 3209

          #34
          Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

          Originally posted by XelNya
          The question that should matter is "what chart would you argue is the best done and why?" This leaves more room for deviation and discussion. Perfection is a stupid ideal nothing can obtain in a highly subjective art form.

          TLDR: Question sucks.
          exactly this, thank you.

          i think just saying "what do you think the best is" when the criteria for what the best is isn't agreed upon or even mentioned in answers OR question doesn't lead to anything useful and should be better worded as "what is your favorite" since many of the answers are just going to based on personal factors such as that they like the music and the chart caters to their skill level. my favorite ones that i play a lot are because i like the tracks and the charts challenge me, although most of the time there are things that i think could be done better in them

          actually in this case the question did give certain criteria, although those criteria don't make sense to me -- the specific terms that were used don't strike me as having any sort of meaning, which is why i'd like clarification

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          • moches
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2005
            • 3996

            #35
            Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

            bmah's Tabibito Rerun
            Gundam-Dude's Right Back
            leonid's The Sky of Sadness
            Don's Rhapsody of the Scarlet Moon
            Kil's Magun

            my real answer, honestly, is that there are too many fucking good files to ever settle on just one.

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            Last edited by moches; 03-7-2014, 08:53 PM.

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            • DossarLX ODI
              Batch Manager
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              FFR Simfile Author
              • Mar 2008
              • 15004

              #36
              Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

              Whenever there's a thread like this I most likely mention Sunshine Rainy [Light] because the file has conservative layering that matches the song's atmosphere. When you have a song that relaxing, you don't utilize heavy layering just because there are more instruments.

              That also goes to the attitudes of the stepartists. If stepartists are going to submit say a file with all quads because four different instruments are playing, I don't want to see bitching about a file with perfect layering and technicality just because there were four instruments playing.

              It's a mix of both the file itself and the stepartist attitude. Sunshine Rainy [Light] gives off the vibe that the stepartist didn't want to be pompous with colors or anything impressive, just step naturally with a calm song.
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              • ___________
                Banned
                • Sep 2012
                • 585

                #37
                Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                I'll go with Frictional Nevada on this one, file does not force difficulty by overlayering/bad patterns. It's actually fun to play!

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                • dAnceguy117
                  new hand moves = dab
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 10097

                  #38
                  Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                  Originally posted by moches
                  my real answer, honestly, is that there are too many fucking good files to ever settle on just one.
                  this this this.

                  also what people have said about different preferences and criteria.

                  here are a couple which I figure no one will mention. they're both very far from being "technically perfect" in terms of notes matching sounds, but do I always have to care? I enjoy playing the charts along with the music enough that these two come to mind for me when a question like this is asked.

                  [Cynic] R8U (Another)
                  [Eggman] Abyss -The Heavens Mix-

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                  • Gundam-Dude
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                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 7327

                    #39
                    Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                    Absolutely none of them are perfect, every single file (including my own creations) has something I don't like and I wish could be changed/altered. My opinions and preferences are constantly changing, so something I'd initially like won't stay that way forever—files I hated become replayed favourites and vice versa. To be quite honest, 100% of my files I wish I could redo completely or at least sections of, but I don't bother because I'm eventually going to find something I don't like at a later date and then change it once again, creating an endless cycle. This isn't restricted to only StepMania/FFR either, I'm like this with all of my design work, rofl.

                    Favourite files or stuff I'm usually going back to replay on the other hand, there are simply too many for me to list, let alone figure out which ones I like more. And again, there's no telling whether or not whatever files I name will actually stay my favourites say 3 months from now.
                    Last edited by Gundam-Dude; 03-7-2014, 09:49 PM.


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                    • Dynam0
                      The Dominator
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 8987

                      #40
                      Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                      Originally posted by dAnceguy117
                      here are a couple which I figure no one will mention. they're both very far from being "technically perfect" in terms of notes matching sounds, but do I always have to care? I enjoy playing the charts along with the music enough that these two come to mind for me when a question like this is asked.

                      [Cynic] R8U (Another)
                      [Eggman] Abyss -The Heavens Mix-

                      I could riddle off about 50-100 files that are technically inaccurate but are WAY up there on the fun list too

                      Simply too many awesome charts. Nuff said

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                      • James May
                        FFR Player
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 3817

                        #41
                        Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                        I can't pinpoint which I think is perfect but I'll list my favourites since really playability is better than seeking the perfection in files~
                        Kil's Thermosphere
                        wc's Ron Paul's OP
                        Zag's Shihen v2
                        Rog's Am I A Psycho?
                        wc's The Next Episode (prolly the only dump file that I'll play hehe)
                        Rog's AIS
                        Leonid's Eyes of June
                        Mr. Tea's Chaoz Fantasy (TS)
                        Mr. Tea's Szycag
                        Rog's Milkshakes (mmm)

                        I have more but it'll be hard to write it all down @_@
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                        • icontrolyourworld
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                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 4196

                          #42
                          Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                          Here's some files I think are just so good it's baffling (in no order):

                          Piano x Forte x Scandal (Gundamdude)
                          Staring at my Spaceship (Kommisar)
                          Heavenly Spores (Kommisar)
                          16 Bit Wars (Kommisar)
                          Lord Of The Dance (wc)
                          World's Most Wanted Weiner (wc)
                          Thermosphere (Kil)
                          Title - Ending - Super Mario World (N.T.M.)
                          Brown Wind (Wineandbread)
                          Razorman (Yesssss)
                          Parasomnia (Yesssss)
                          In the Light (Yesssss)
                          video out b (vospi)
                          video out e (vospi)
                          Taking Back My Soul (GLoVE)
                          Endless Sacrifice (GLoVE)
                          In The Presence Of Enemies (Part II) (GLoVE)
                          Metropolis Part I The Miracle And The Sleeper (GLoVE)
                          A Gunshot to the Head of Trepidation (GLoVE)
                          The Dance of Eternity (GLoVE)
                          This Dying Soul (GLoVE)
                          Starship.6 (cetaka)
                          Epileptic Crisis (Puppet vs. Kommisar)
                          Sin (Puppet)
                          Beyond The Earth (Toph)

                          It's a combination of really liking the songs, and how well the arrows represent the song. Everytime I play these files I pretty much don't think I want them stepped any other way, they feel right.
                          Last edited by icontrolyourworld; 03-8-2014, 12:52 AM.

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                          • Snapps
                            NO DOUBT GET LOUD
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 5650

                            #43
                            Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                            bbblow

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                            • dAnceguy117
                              new hand moves = dab
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 10097

                              #44
                              Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                              but which one?

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                              • Snapps
                                NO DOUBT GET LOUD
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 5650

                                #45
                                Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

                                ren

                                it was way ahead of its time. its not a perfect file but its a perfect dictionary reference of what people eventually led to make as well as bridged the gap from ddr to stepmania.

                                imo, its the single most influential stepfile, aside from quasar for different reasons. the closest to recreating this file is apersons omega.
                                Last edited by Snapps; 03-14-2014, 04:04 PM.

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