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  • stargroup100
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    #46
    Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

    Originally posted by Reincarnate
    I think you may be referring to epistemology (the study of knowledge / what it means for something to be knowable / true / a belief / justified / etc).
    One of the branches of philosophy associated with this topic, yes, but not the only one.
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    • qqwref
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      #47
      Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

      Originally posted by korny
      Just for clarification purposes, the mormon god is the same god as they are just another Christian denomination like the Methodists, baptists and Catholics.
      OK, but he does have different rules he wants people to follow, and a different set of holy books, right? Like, you could be considered a good person according to "mainstream" Christianity, but not according to the Mormons, or vice versa.
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      • choof
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        #48
        Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

        okay I finally watched this

        this was really underwhelming, bill nye seemed somewhat unprepared and ken ham's head is so far up his own ass it's unbelievable

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        • adlp
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          #49
          Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

          Originally posted by qqwref
          OK, but he does have different rules he wants people to follow, and a different set of holy books, right? Like, you could be considered a good person according to "mainstream" Christianity, but not according to the Mormons, or vice versa.
          we use the KJV of the Bible that most mainstream Christians use

          we use the BoM as another testament of Jesus Christ that goes hand in hand with the Bible

          we don't believe God judges people unfairly and takes all things into account. our doctrine outlines that heaven is in tiers, or degrees of glory, and that most of mankind will belong in one of those tiers of heaven.

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          • qqwref
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            #50
            Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

            Oh, you're Mormon? That's cool though, thanks for the info I guess it was a bad example.
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            • Reincarnate
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              #51
              Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

              What's Ham's reputation/standing in religious communities?

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              • adlp
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                #52
                Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                no idea but I think creationism is dumb in it's own right

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                • funmonkey54
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                  #53
                  Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                  Originally posted by Reincarnate
                  What's Ham's reputation/standing in religious communities?
                  As a student in a Holiness Movement influenced School of Theology and Ministry, I can honestly tell you that 0/38 professors are young-earth creationists here. This is a conservative school. So yeah, there's that.

                  His view doesn't represent educated Christian thought's general concept of creationism. The Creation Museum is a joke and most of what he argued was really far off base.

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                  • stargroup100
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                    #54
                    Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                    Originally posted by adlp
                    no idea but I think creationism is dumb in it's own right
                    See this is what I'm talking about.

                    Sorry for using you/your post as an example. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what this guy said. He's stating an opinion and clearly has his head on straight.

                    BUT WHO DOESNT THINK CREATIONISM IS DUMB

                    Pointless discussion. If this thread was titled "Philosophy of Science" or "Delusional Disorder" or "Epistemology" or "The Psychological Effects of Religion" or something similar, we could be having a brilliant thread going on here, without any bullshit. Instead, we have sparse points that give insight sprinkled in between a bunch of posts that state the obvious.
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                    • GuidoHunter
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                      #55
                      Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                      Originally posted by stargroup100
                      BUT WHO DOESNT THINK CREATIONISM IS DUMB
                      People who don't understand science, or people who think there exists a dichotomy between it and their faith. I think those people largely exist in fundamentalist circles, but they can be found anywhere.

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                      • stargroup100
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                        #56
                        Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                        Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                        People who don't understand science, or people who think there exists a dichotomy between it and their faith. I think those people largely exist in fundamentalist circles, but they can be found anywhere.
                        Well yeah, but the idea is that almost anyone that has their head on straight enough to contribute to meaningful discussion here will understand the common sense that creationism is a load of crap.

                        The point I was trying to make is that this topic of creationism keeps leading the discussion nowhere meaningful. Therefore, that statement I made refers only to the people who are relevant in that context. Again, what you said was perfectly valid and correct, but obvious. I didn't want to reiterate what everyone knew and it would sound verbose if I'm trying to be sarcastic. Once again, discussion goes nowhere when creationism is involved.
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                        • Reincarnate
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                          #57
                          Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                          A lot of people believe in some kind of creationism, at least here in the States

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                          • SKG_Scintill
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                            #58
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                            • devonin
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                              #59
                              Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                              Originally posted by stargroup100
                              Instead, we have sparse points that give insight sprinkled in between a bunch of posts that state the obvious.
                              So, like the debate the thread is about?

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                              • stargroup100
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                                #60
                                Re: Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live debate, going on now

                                Originally posted by devonin
                                So, like the debate the thread is about?
                                Yes.

                                It's a stupid debate to begin with.
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