My older step-cousin just got sentenced

[Izzy]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

You don't think the people who produce child porn are making money from it because there is a demand for it? Whether a given person actually pays for a given piece of child porn or not really doesn't matter. Money is being made by it, and the audience is why more of it gets made.

I don't think that is really a fair statement to make. You are just lumping everything together when it shouldn't be. They probably make some money initially from somebody and then the VAST majority of others who end up looking at it obtained it for free, and not even through much effort online.

Most of these people probably aren't willing to pay for it and never will. Whoevers cousin in this thread probably didn't pay for it and doesn't deserve 10 years. Whoever created that content has no idea this guy ever viewed it so it does not directly cause more of it.

[Fission]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

If you look at pictures of arkuski is it pedophilia?

[JohnRedWolf87]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

(a) The States are entitled to greater leeway in the regulation of pornographic depictions of
children for the following reasons: (1) the legislative judgment that the use of children as subjects
of pornographic materials is harmful to the physiological, emotional, and mental health of the child,
easily passes muster under the First Amendment; (2) the standard of Miller v. California, 413
U.S. 15 , for determining what is legally obscene is not a satisfactory solution to the child
pornography problem; (3) the advertising and selling of child pornography provide an economic
motive for and are thus an integral part of the production of such materials, an activity illegal
throughout the Nation; (4) the value of permitting live performances and photographic
reproductions of children engaged in lewd exhibitions is exceedingly modest, if not de minimis;
and (5) recognizing and classifying child pornography as a category of material outside the First
Amendment's protection is not incompatible with this Court's decisions dealing with what speech
is unprotected. When a definable class of material, such as that covered by [458 U.S. 747, 748] the New York statute, bears
so heavily and pervasively on the welfare of children engaged in its production, the balance of competing interests is
clearly struck, and it is permissible to consider these materials as without the First Amendment's protection. Pp. 756-764.

(b) The New York statute describes a category of material the production and distribution of which is not entitled to First
Amendment protection. Accordingly, there is nothing unconstitutionally "under-inclusive" about the statute, and the State is
not barred by the First Amendment from prohibiting the distribution of such unprotected materials produced outside the
State. Pp. 764-766.

(c) Nor is the New York statute unconstitutionally overbroad as forbidding the distribution of material with serious literary,
scientific, or educational value. The substantial overbreath rule of Broadrick v. Oklahoma, 413 U.S. 601 , applies. This is
the paradigmatic case of a state statute whose legitimate reach dwarfs its arguably impermissible applications. "[W]hatever
overbreadth may exist should be cured through case-by-case analysis of the fact situations to which [the statute's]
sanctions, assertedly, may not be applied." Broadrick v. Oklahoma, supra, at 615-616. Pp. 766-774.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...s/458/747.html

Why can't they write these things in English?

[Izzy]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

Why can't they write these things in English?

Because then it can't be ambiguous.

[choof]

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I don't think that is really a fair statement to make. You are just lumping everything together when it shouldn't be. They probably make some money initially from somebody and then the VAST majority of others who end up looking at it obtained it for free, and not even through much effort online.

Most of these people probably aren't willing to pay for it and never will. Whoevers cousin in this thread probably didn't pay for it and doesn't deserve 10 years. Whoever created that content has no idea this guy ever viewed it so it does not directly cause more of it.

We're talking about an illegal good.

[JohnRedWolf87]

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We're talking about an illegal good.

More like an illegal bad.

[Cavernio]

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Is it illegal to own snuff? I don't know where I sit on the watching of free downloaded pedophilia, but the legality of both snuff and pedophilia should be the same.

[devonin]

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Owning video evidence of a murder? Yeah, pretty sure that's illegal. It might even count as accessory to murder after the fact.

[Cavernio]

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What about owning a video of rape of an adult? What if it's a gruesome rape?

It's not just about what's legal or not I suppose, in terms of right and wrong, but very much about what laws are actually being enforced. There's a noted effort of cracking down on pedophiles. Is there anything close to a similar system to track down distributors of other disturbing pornography? I don't really know the reality of law enforcement regarding this, but if I were to have a stash of rape vids or even snuff I wouldn't be worried about being sent to jail.

[devonin]

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You're holding (and thus withholding) evidence of a crime. That is illegal.

[Izzy]

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You could give it to the police and then keep it? You wouldn't be withholding evidence anymore.

[Pseudo Enigma]

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keep it?

where do you get this idea from
seriously, gimme one good reason why they would let you keep it

[Izzy]

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I think you are missing the point of hypotheticals. We are talking about whether or not it would be illegal to have. No, I don't think it makes sense for them to let you keep it, but does that mean it is illegal to have if it isn't new evidence?

There are thousands of videos of people dieing floating around the internet. There wouldn't be much difference between that and this anymore.

[Arkuski]

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There are thousands of videos of people dieing floating around the internet. There wouldn't be much difference between that and this anymore.

Do you really think this? Seriously, take a few minutes to think about what you just said.

[Izzy]

Re: My older step-cousin just got sentenced

What am I thinking about exactly? What is your point exactly? Maybe you should take a few minutes to think about what you just said.