TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

[FictionJunction]

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I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that danceguy is telling the truth. What's great about this is that MY MOM can act as a guard at the expense of the bodyguard's ability - which I doubt he would've used anyway.

This creates an awkward situation for reds:

Danceguy may be put in time out effectively making him invulnerable to tonight's wolf kill but the thread of being put in time out might be enough to not even bother, letting danceguy live and giving MY MOM the opportunity to put someone else in time out.

Would wolves really try killing danceguy knowing that he could be protected by MY MOM?

[FictionJunction]

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it'd be pretty nuts to assume danceguy is faking it because there haven't been any deaths. Plus trading a wolf for a bodyguard isn't exactly the best trade ever so I doubt we'll actually see a counterclaim.

[pntballa18]

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I don't think it's that farfetched, fiction. Assuming dAnce is a wolf: He was going to get lynched anyway, there's no reason for him to not lie about being the clown. If we keep him alive, either the real clown comes out or the tattle tale uses his ability, dAnce still dies but the wolves gain something from it. If dAnce gets lynched day one anyways, nothing (more) is lost for the wolves.

[j-rodd123]

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good claim danceguy, if the clown is someone else then don't hesitate to counterclaim

gonna say I believe dance but seriously, if hes lying you have to out it do not try and play it cautiously

[James May]

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James

Things are starting to get interesting now :3

Petey, petey, petey. What shall we do with you? You say that you are the clown, but will anyone arrive to counter that claim?

(Yes I am behind lemme catch up and post my reads tonight...)

[pntballa18]

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If there is a counterclaim, who do we believe? My immediate thought is that the first person to claim (dAnce) would be the imposter, but that could easily be taken advantage of. If there is a counterclaim, we can't be sure which claimant is lying unless the tattle tale uses his ability.

[FictionJunction]

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I don't think it's that farfetched, fiction.

what?

so a wolf one day wakes up and says man I'm dying (even though he's four away from insta which could easily become a kitb with a simple vote switch) and says I'm going to fake a role even though nobody has died.

Two things are interesting about this: the decision to fake first and not as a counterclaim (counters delegitimize the original, the whole point of faking a role as a wolf if the role you need dead is clearly alive) and the fact that he's willing to trade himself for a bodyguard in a game where it is kind of impossible to determine who will get killed and whether or not that person is worth protecting as a bodyguard (different from a guard given that a bodyguard dies in his target's place).

Does that make sense to you?

I'd give danceguy credit as a wolf for faking bodyguard since it'd be difficult to fake anything else but I'd also give him credit for coming out as a bodyguard because he may have thought it through - or maybe he didn't and this was an impulsive decision - because out of all roles available the bodyguard is the only disposable role designed to prevent kills. He's disposable for two reasons: 1) he is easily replaceable by the MY MOM. 2) he dies after protecting someone, leaving ZERO information in the thread other than his successful guard (his flip informs us he may have noticed something we didn't in the thread since there's no out-of-thread talking).

Given how ridiculous this is you must assume that wolves are looking to trade a normal red for the bodyguard if you're expecting a counterclaim.

I'm not expecting a counterclaim because I think danceguy is for real and because a wolf trading a red for a bodyguard is a pretty bad trade.

[FictionJunction]

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it's simple, if dance is lying the real bodyguard should claim now. That's obvious.

but if he's not lying I think the wolves would be better off not coming out pretending dance is lying because, again, a simple red for a bodyguard is a terrible trade.

[FictionJunction]

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If there is a counterclaim, we can't be sure which claimant is lying unless the tattle tale uses his ability.

this is like such a waste of resources

[FictionJunction]

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no wolf could ever justify trading a red for a bodyguard. THE BODYGUARD IS DISPOSABLE AND WILL PROBABLY NEVER LAND A GUARD.

[FictionJunction]

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AND HE DIES IF HE LANDS ONE. WOLVES STILL GET A KILL.

OHMYGOd

[FictionJunction]

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pntballa for masking a reckless use of our resources as a potential gain for humans and for basing his entire read on danceguy on something most of us who have played with danceguy have disregarded as a harmless departure from his typical playstyle.

[FictionJunction]

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like, seriously, there are two reason why wolves fake roles:

1) they're willing to counterclaim to trade a red for the role they're faking.

2) they're replacing a dead role to control the outcome of the lynching process by establishing a red as a trusted human player.

#2 is IMPOSSIBLE right now

[FictionJunction]

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the procedure is when two players claim the same role you kill both. Thankfully for us we have cardflips.

This is obviously a trade situation and there won't be a counterclaim because the trade is not really worth it, effectively solidifying dance as the clown.

[pntballa18]

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this is like such a waste of resources

I know it is, but we can't be sure which is telling the truth otherwise. That's part of the reason why I don't think faking a role in this situation is such an absurd idea. The wolves benefit in two ways, they A)find a blue, and B)use up the tattle tale ability(or, alternatively, find the seer).

I get what you're saying about the clown specifically being a bad role to fake. The only role that would be worse to fake is the tattle tale, since they could get rid of his ability by faking a different role anyways.