TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

<_<

I already had suspicions which I've explained already in my earlier initial, I'm merely stating how they are developed by your most recent actions. I'm prudent about you because there's so much that interferes in your recent interactions with V and AC1 that a lot can be interpreted in both directions. I'm not the guy to express interest in lynching someone and not caring. You, however, did quite a lot.

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

By the way, here's the post I was concocting.
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While waiting for Manti, I'll only say that I do not feel uncertain lynching freaky than YMIA. Freaky's current actions are confusing and seems like someone who writes a lot about what is on his mind. It mostly seems like errors in interpretation/communication YMIA's posts however are very ordered and to the point. I do have major suspicions based on his most recent one where he places a vote on the most easiest target right now.

I wouldn't care much for the vote itself if it wasn't backed up by a stupid reason which proves the fact that he has definitely not read through the thread entirely. Plus, this reason does not even makes any sense as to how it pertains to arising suspicions. Freaky's idea did not even generate any controversy about himself. Hell, even the motive behind his vote is totally empty of intentions. The whole logic is summed up as "I have no intention of looking for wolves, I'll put a vote because I've got called for". It's total bullshit and I don't know why no one except Freaky has noticed it. And what the fuck is this "AC1 is suspicious because you seem intent on lynching both freaky and I"? No valid reasoning, and it also sounds like he's knowing more about people and their roles than normal.
Come on, this is horrendous.

I'll lynch him if I have to, but I prefer to lynch him next phase rather than right now.

Basically this. Cedo is still expressing anti-town behavior. But as for his claim, it's imprudent to hold a lynch on him right now. If Cedo really plays an act, it should be clearer by the start of Day 2.

My line of thought:

Day 1 lynch: YMIA
Day 2 potential lynch: Freaky
Guard: AC1
Seer: Manti
Vigi: Danceguy

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I personally didn't think they are the most convicting of reasons or else I'd have voted for him as well, but it's plenty well-reasoned. Dude was tripping all over himself.

Yeah, V's arguments weren't the most incriminating but it all sums up as a good way of making pressure on him.
I'm still stumped by Cedo's claim. A claim on Day 1, especially in C9++ format seems extremely fishy/extremely careless and disadvantages the town.

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

There is only one real argument you are making with that long post, and that is borrowed from what V and AC1 pointed out. You are doing great adding fuel to this bandwagon by carefully selecting incriminating posts I have made, or simply quoting things of no relevence to further influence a lynch.

I find it interesting that you take no particular stance in my lynch. Wolves already know what I would cardflip as, and definitely do not want to be the last few people jumping on this wagon without any sort of absolute evidence of me being a wolf.

Your argument about my mindset to lynch the shittest players first is invalid. I am open to changing this mindset, and I have demonstrated it both in the last game and this game. In all honesty, I don't understand why the game starts in a day phase, and I just want to lynch off someone to get the game rolling. Notice how while I'm not pushing for a lynch on the shittest players of the game, I am trying to generate conversation.

Another note that I all of a sudden thought of now that you are in the spotlight. The game explicitly states that one and only one wolf may send in a kill. You once posted that you take all of the game information very seriously, and we have already established you are capiable of using the plan manti and I was talking about earlier in the game.

Posting that wolves cannot communicate during the day time and joking it off at a later time when you realize that wolves indeed can, was what I was hinting at when I quoted you, and I put it off as something you weren't capiable of trying. As of this moment, I am still not sure whether or not wolves can communicate during the day time and I think this warrants a clarification from the host.

Yes, I'm accusing you of being a wolf. I have 4 votes on myself and yoman seems the most agreeable person to lynch instead of me as of this moment, and this is refraining myself from voting you.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

So after reading through page 13, here's a couple thoughts off the top of my head:

Cedo is blue. Without a doubt. In This post he's trying to get V to back off without coming completely out. I'm suprised V didn't pick up on it instead of pressing Cedo until Cedo felt like he was forced to crack

The lynch on Freaky has been snowballing since page 8ish. I don't see any good reasoning behind it other then "I don't like how he plays", which is the same reason Zoshi has 4 votes. We currently have two players up for lynch because they post in akward/unusual ways.

I think we can do better then that.

Just got to page 14, and it's half an hour after when i wanted to go to bed. No solid wolf reads yet.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

after reading through 120+ posts, I have come to the following conclusion:

freaky and V are not red/red

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[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Guard: AC1

Dude... are you serious?

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

The reason why I haven't voted for Zoshi yet is because people refuse to take me seriously if I continue to vote for him. This is why I voted vic instead.

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I am also rational and ready to play twg.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Finished reading through the thread

Freaky has condemned half the playerbase as useless and the other half is voting for him. How can he be a wolf when there isn't an ounce of support for him?

I currently would be okay seeing Danceguy Lynched today, as an alternative to yoman/freaky.

Between freaky and Yoman I'd vote for yoman.

Tired, I'm going to toy with ideas till i fall asleep.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Sidenote, assuming Cedolad is a full vigi, we are in the realms of 3 scum roles.

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

First of all, the question you asked me a few posts back interrupted me in the writing of my post, be sure to check page 19 and read it since I do clear out of the way a lot of your arguments. Most of my post were only observations on how you played, which can add up as suitable evidence, and while I might not take any stance on your case (which was the case earlier in my analysis), I am mainly taking the time to explain why your own arguments have failed earlier. Seeing how you respond only reinforces my main argument. This is a really strong reaction from someone who has been pretty calm under the spotlight. May you be town or not, this is an odd reactionary defense.

And by the way, if my argument on lynching bad players is invalid, then your counter-argument is pretty crappy too. Bad skilled players might be a disadvantage, but it does not necessarily mean they're not useful to the team. What if blues and greens are mostly unexperienced players in this case? I know you're only contributing to the discussion on them, but you should know that these type of strategies are not constantly viable, and can be used to manipulate choices on desired players. You're not pushing a lynch, and there might be good reasons.

I did not joke about my question about a wolf's way of communicating, this was all very serious. TWG takes a lot of my time. I asked it mainly because I didn't want to make too much analysis out of posts. (Look at my earlier analysis and tell I don't play this seriously). I realize now that I should have PM'ed Fojar about it, but it had just popped in my head at the time. Now, if you want to see it as a way of me asking the question and using it as a plan later. I'll only say to you that I don't have the experience required to attempt such a complex tactic. Plus, with Manti stating how difficult it is, I don't believe I would have passed under the radar of other veterans. At least now by asking, we acknowledge the fact that it can happen and are ready to be on the lookout for it.

Wolves already know what I would cardflip as, and definitely do not want to be the last few people jumping on this wagon without any sort of absolute evidence of me being a wolf.

Dude, I'm really having trouble understanding you. I believe you mean that if I was a wolf I would wait until later to lynch you? That barely makes any sense to me, if I was a wolf, I'd be smart and probably be the first one on your ass. You stand as a very controversial player (from what I saw last game), and it is easy to cast a bandwagon on you. (proof, it's probably a case of wolfing this time).

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Dude... are you serious?

That's really just a suggestion for a more personal and subjective choice, anyone else is fine really. Guards should know at this point who is more beneficial to their team.

How can he be a wolf when there isn't an ounce of support for him?

Partners trying to avoid attention by doing pushes in other directions? With the lack of communication, it's also hard for wolves to coordinate themselves. The other "useless" half of the playerbase might even be wolves that do not know how to save their friend. I think you know better.

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Yo freaky, I enjoy these types of confrontation, but I'm going to sleep right now, don't expect an answer from me until later. It's like 3:18 AM here.

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

This is a really strong reaction from someone who has been pretty calm under the spotlight. May you be town or not, this is an odd reactionary defense.

Do you listen to yourself talk or pay attention to what is going on in the thread? I kept my composure long enough. Jrodd doing that shit then logging really pissed me off. Especially what he posted.

And by the way, if my argument on lynching bad players is invalid, then your counter-argument is pretty crappy too.

I'm okay with lynching bad players, I'm also looking for wolves. Stop ignoring what I am saying.

Dude, I'm really having trouble understanding you. I believe you mean that if I was a wolf I would wait until later to lynch you? That barely makes any sense to me, if I was a wolf, I'd be smart and probably be the first one on your ass. You stand as a very controversial player (from what I saw last game), and it is easy to cast a bandwagon on you. (proof, it's probably a case of wolfing this time).

You can't vote me right now. There is no evidence. Actually I have done nothing controversial until I called V out. Tell me if you were a wolf, when you would have been "the first one on my ass".